Mexico was here first?

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  1. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    I know history was not Obama's favorite subject, but how can any public figure make mistakes like this. He sounds more like Joe Biden every day.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ere_long_before_america_was_even_an_idea.html

    "Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. The British and French, the Dutch and Spanish, to Mexicans, to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land," President Obama told the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.

    Mexico declared its independence on September 16, 1810. It was recognized on September 27, 1821.

    The United States of America declared its independence in 1776.
     
  2. TCassidy

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    Yes, but California belonged to Mexico until 1850.

    Texas became independent from Mexico in 1836 and part of the US in 1845.

    History is your friend. :)
     
  3. Dragoon68

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    Yes, yes, and long long ago it may have been occupied by others. But today America is independent, sovereign, and in possession of the territory that is ours. It doesn't belong to Mexico, to Spain, to France, to England, nor to various Indianian tribes. It's a real nice place to live - much better than it might have been otherwise.
     
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    The Indian reservations are under the sovereign authority of the tribe to which they belong to, and they are possessed by them. The reservations are also under the authority of the United States, a sovereign entity, due to the plenary power of Congress in Indian affairs. The reservations are not under the authority of the States, which are also sovereign entities.
     
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    Except for the 6 states covered by Public Law 280, which transfers that authority to the 6 states, California, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oregon, Wisconsin, and Alaska. :)
     
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    I knew about that, but I didn't think to point it out. Even in PL-280 States, the Tribes are still sovereign entities, they are just also under State regulation.
     
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    The question is whether the people known as "Mexicans" were here long before the idea of America.

    Let me say up front that his statement is imprecise at best. However, its not quite as bad as being made out if he was using it as an ethnic label rather than a political one.

    In short, if we aren't going to fault him for calling the native tribes "Indians" (a very anachronistic and inaccurate title), then there isn't much room for faulting him for applying the terms "Mexicans" to people who come from the Mexican peninsula.

    And FWIW, the name "Mexico" does not come from the country which gained its independence in 1810, but from the more ancient city México-Tenochtitlan. It is imprecise and even possibly absurd to refer to the people who lived 400 years ago in that area "Mexicans"? Certainly, but no more absurd that calling the natives who lived in the current US 400 years ago "Indians".
     
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    Yes, that's an unfortunate legacy of the treaties that were negotiated. They vary greatly by the way. Regardless, they are part of the USA - not Mexico or other foreign nation. Further, the Indians have no more right to claim any additional land than Mexico. We don't owe them anything. All the land we have is our land. The only higher authority is God Almighty and He's the only real owner of any and all the earth. We humans just argue and fight over it.
     
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    Who cares? Mexico has no claim to America today. They can sign that song all they want but it ain't going to play here.

    The Mexicans are descendants of Indian tribes, Spaniards, and others - everyone one of whom came from somewhere else. They've run others out of town just like everyone else has. The entire human race came from the Garden of Eden to where they are now by many paths. Some people think the Indians got here from China - I don't know because I wasn't around. It's interesting history and there's even some support for various theories based on modern DNA testing that confirms the fundamental origin of man.
     
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    I didn't see anyone arguing that they did.
     
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    That's good then! But, I'm sure someone will head in that direction before it's over.
     
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    When they do, we can dog-pile on them together ;)
     
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    He didn't name the "Ruskees"---the Russians whom we purchased Alaska from---we didn't fight to acquire Alaska---we purchased it with money---and to look at the purchase on paper---it would seem as though the Russians practically gave the land away!!!

    Nor did he name the Hawaiins either
     
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    Nor did he mention the Philippines or the Ryukyu or the Panama Canal or the other places we gave back to the people who lived there.

    We're such evil colonists aren't we? We're such robber barons of the innocent helpless natives aren't we?
     
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    Russians and Spanish had explored the entire west coast before "US Americans" did.

    Our takeover of Hawaii was pure invasion and theft.
     
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    The United States had a manifest destiny to take over all the lands we currently have. Therefore we didn't take anything that wasn't manifestly ours to take anyway.
     
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    Just for the heck of it, let's say that Emporer Oba-mao is correct and that Mexico was here before the US.

    The problem is that the "Mexicans" there were Spanish and Portuguese profiteers who invaded Mexico and conquered the indigineous peoples there.

    So just like the Mexican president went on CNN and admitted that Mexico has very strict laws against illegal immigration (far moreso than ours, by the way), just hours after standing next to Emporer Oba-mao and condemning our illegal immigration laws, once again, the Looney Left holds us to a different standard.

    Mexico loves to claim, once simply through fringe groups such as La Raza, but now openly and explicitly through the government and its spokesmen, that the border states are Mexican land that was taken illegally and should be given back. But if this is true, then what in the world is Mexico and when do they start giving land back to the many indiginous tribes they conquered to get it?
     
  18. Alcott

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    Manifest? Is that like Oktoberfest, only it's all men?

    Anyway, Mexico may have been here first. The Yucatan Peninsula had to be there to receive that great meteor 65 million years ago that extunk the dinosaurs.
     
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    Who stole all the gold from the Indians in Mexico?
     
  20. Jimmy Oatway

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    No, it's like Oktoberfest, only it's all manna. :D
     

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