Michelle Obama: ‘For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime,

Brother Bob, it is bearing false witness to say I'm defending her. I'm not, and you know it. Read my post - really read it. I could say you are a Clinton supporter because Clinton staffers have allegedly privately prodded media to cover this.

Should it be in the media? Doesn't matter - it is. Any candidate's wife who puts herself in the crosshairs deserves whatever fire she asks for. All I asked for was context. People can truncate, obsfuscate, and cloud statements just by taking a phrase out of context.

I'm disappointed you are twisting the words of other posters.

 

I don't find it surprising. You think McCain wants Obama over Clinton? Not in a million years.

 

Well said, my brother.

 

I'm with you on this observation.

Neither do I support Obama, but your point is the saneness I've read thus far. :thumbs:

 

If the polls are an accurate or close to an accurate gauge of the people's mindset, McCain stands a better chance against Hillary than Obama.

 

Or one may have hope that there is a potential president who aims to end the American involvement in the Iraq quagmire that President Bush created.

 

I quite agree with you here that Obama still needed to lend a support to the troops even though he's against the war in Iraq.

But him not wear the flag, Is that what it means?

 

==I serve my country everyday by walking into a college classroom and teaching future lawyers, teachers, preachers, businessmen/women, etc. I grew up at Fort Bragg/Pope AFB in North Carolina. I have lived around the military my whole life. So don't try to make this about supporting our troops or not. I support our troops 100% and I don't have to wear a lapel pin to prove it. I prove it by my actions. I suggest Obama, McCain, and Hillary do the same.

==I think she is explained what she means. Either you take her word for it or you don't but she has explained her position. I don't think her husband would be running for President of the United States if she was not patriotic.

==Are you aware that many of Ron Paul's supporters and Barak Obama supporters are in the military? Maybe you are not. Most soldiers understand that wearing a lapel pin does not mean that a person is truly supporting them. A person supports the troops through their actions and their prayers. Wearing a lapel pin, putting bumper stickers on cars, and other such things are fine. But those things are not supporting the troops. Those things are just outward symbols. We should be more concerned with actions then symbols.

==Obama is not spitting on anyone.

 

Apology accepted, Brother Bob.

Martin, you make some interesting points, but just because Obama and Paul (or anyone) has military supporters doesn't mean that Obama, Paul, etc. are defacto patriotic. Nor do I believe we should assume that Michelle Obama is patriotic (whatever that means) just because her husband is running for president. It is entirely possible that she could have a real disdain for her country. Her statement could have meant what some allege. While it may not be likely, we cannot dismiss the possibility no more than we can embrace the belief that she did mean something untoward without examining the context. Truth of the matter is we have no idea what's in the hearts of Michelle or Barak. We can have strong inklings one way or the other, but it's naive to think there aren't people in this country who have real angst about this nation to the point that they would echo what Michelle Obama said and mean what some allege she meant.

I don't know that she has explained her position well. I do believe that it may come up tomorrow night in Austin. Bet you money that, right now, somewhere in debate prep, Hillary's machinery is testing lines to use in the debate on this subject and whether to use them. (maybe a sign of Hillary's desperation?)

One thing is sure - we're playing for keeps now. The Obama campaign is now under the bright lights, and how they deal with this (especially if Hillary makes even the tiniest move on it) will determine a lot for the rest of the primary and perhaps the general.

 

==You have a right to judge people via superficial means if you wish. I just happen to believe we should look at more important things.

==That is just one part of the puzzle. Obama has risen to the top through style and not substance. That interview was just an example of the fact that many people who support Obama have no clue about his history or positions. They don't know what Obama would do as President. They have nothing to judge him by.

As for "what I believe", I have no idea what you are talking about. Were you still under the mistaken impression that I was a Obama supporter? I hope not. After all I replied to you (in this thread) making it clear that I was not an Obama supporter.

==Well, actually, I am speaking about something I know about because what you asked was "Did you serve your country??". You did not ask about being in battle or something like that. I actually know a lot about how I serve my country.

I reject the faulty notion that the only way to serve "your country" is through military service. Military service is just one of many ways people serve their country.

 

"Michelle Obama said Wednesday she has always loved America, seeking to quell the firestorm over her comment earlier in the week that seemed to suggest she is only now proud to be an American.

"What I was clearly talking about is that I am proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process," Michelle Obama told CNN affiliate WJAR after a campaign event in Providence, Rhode Island. "I mean everyone has said what I said, in that we haven't seen these record numbers of turnouts, people who are paying attention, going to rallies, watching debates.

“For the first time in my lifetime I am seeing people rolling up their sleeves in way that I haven't seen and really trying to figure this out, and that's the source of pride I was talking about," she continued....

On Wednesday, Michelle Obama said: "I love my country, and wouldn't be in this if I didn't care deeply and didn't believe that the kind of possibilities I had as a kid should be available to every single child." "

- http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...-obama-clarifies-ive-always-loved-my-country/

 

==I agree. My point was in response to what Brother Bob was saying.

==I guess it is possible. However I don't think someone with her personality would allow their husbands to run for the presidency of a country they have a deep seated "disdain" for. However, anything is possible. After all, as you said, we can't know their hearts.

Until I know otherwise I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt and accept her explanation.

 

And that is fine, but don't you think that the pin thing, along with his wife's statements HINT at something more important that is brewing beneath the surface?

I view them not as the root problems, but symptoms that something is wrong.. like (pardon my pun) little red flags that are going off, and his supporters are so enamored by his Charisma that they either ignore them or make excuses for them. He was speaking at a church recently, and made a comment about building a Kingdom here on Earth..

To me that sends up red flags... I will find the link and post it...
We have a nation... what kind of kingdom does he expect to build?

 

Here is the link... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300135,00.html

Now, if he loved America, why would he want to Create a Kingdom here on Earth... King Obama.... Hmmm.

Don't anyone else see little red flags in this....

There is only one Kingdom I am praying for, and Obama is not the one to usher it in.. but he is "asking a church audience in South Carolina to help him become “an instrument of God” and join him in creating “a Kingdom right here on Earth."

Notice the word Kingdom is capitalized...

 

Other than the item in bold the Fox News story says nothing more about it - not the context, not even the whole sentence(s).

 

Why should they sit idly by and allow right-wingers to run off at the mouth and the keyboard unchallenged?