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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by El_Guero, Sep 25, 2005.
Have you experienced a miracle?
I said that it wasn't true that only God can cause a miracle because it seems that demons can influence the physical world (like with Moses and Pharoah's priests), although I think their ability in this is very limited.
Could you please explain in more detail,my little brain doe's not understand.
The results are not what I was expecting.
That makes this even more interesting.
One only has to look at "apparitional mary" and the "huckstery" that is going on there! People are being healed by this "demon", but people continue to flock and pray at these "shrines" as if it were a direct commandment from Christ himself...!
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sorry double post
What is a miracle?
Several years ago a girl in our church was diagnosed on her first birthday of a very aggressive, quick growing cancer in the last stadium
10% chance of survival.
She is now 5 years old and a sweet and healthy kid.
Is this just luck and good treatement by the doctors?
You can imaginese that all the church was praying hard,
for me this is a miracle, a healing by the Lord, through the hands of doctors but a miracle of the Lord.
Should Faith in Jesus Christ influence belief in miracles?
I misread this question and answered "No" and should have answered "Yes".
Miacle: an effect in the physical world which surpasses all known human or natural powers and is therefore ascribed to supernatural agency. (American College Dictionary)
I know the word miracle is used quite frequently to describe some unusual, odd, or rare event but I think this really weakens the full impact of what a miracle is. It is a violation of the laws of physics, something totally impossible without the interaction of the supernatural. Demons can certainly influence the physical and interact with it but I don't know whether they can actually violate God's laws or merely fool us into thinking that they have (not a real hard thing to do).
A miracle will always glorify God.
I believe it is always the answer to prayer as well.
Years ago I received a healing from a deadly, and disfiguring cancer. There is no doubt that it was a miracle as it was "present" for several weeks, including the morning the surgeons were going to remove what they could, and it was "removed" by the time the surgeons got into the region. The hospital board of surgeons even admitted it was a miracle.
There will be tricks, and there may be demons who seem to do miracles - but demons won't credit the Holy Father with answering prayer when they use their tricks.
I was referring to when God through Moses struck Egypt with the plagues, and Pharoah's magicians mimicked each one. Of course it would have been more useful to reverse God's plague, but I guess they couldn't do that!
Plus demoniacs have been said to be able to tell the future and have superhuman strength, both of which are paranormal.
I don't know if these should really be called miracles, though. Perhaps supernatural interference?
What about the "miracles" at Lourdes, Fatima, Medjugore...etc...People have been Miraculously healed of all sorts of ailments...Just because you see a "miracle" does not mean it is from God...!
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power, and signs, and lying wonders,
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There is a major difference in a true miracle from God, and in a parlor trick. Pharoah's men did parlor tricks.
That is true ... and I did not think about that when I made the questions. But, after thinking about the question, I still think God is the One behind miracles.
Each of us experiences miracles every day. Sadly, few of us will recognize them, let alone recosnize them as miracles.
I'd like to see a documented case of just one whose credibility is not suspect. There have been thousands of sightings of the loch ness moster too, but that doesn't make it real.
Very true. A miracle is a work of wonder, not a work of magic. Defying the laws of the universe is not required for something to be a miracle. Jesus is teh great physycian, not the great magician.
I'd like to see a documented case of just one whose credibility is not suspect. There have been thousands of sightings of the loch ness moster too, but that doesn't make it real.</font>[/QUOTE]Oh, I think you'll trust my source.
I think that there is not much demon possession in the civilized world at this time because the current tactic is for demons to pretend that they don't exist, playing along with the mindset of rationality and materialism. Right now they mostly mess with people who go looking for them.
I think probably 90% of modern paranormal occurences are made up or imagined, but I wouldn't say that demonic interference is impossible.
Ever seen that guy Chris Angel? Saw him last night walking up and down a building among other things. That guy is very creepy. I wonder if it's all illusion or if he has "help".
Can you verify this?
Personally, God has performed miracles in my life several times.
But, the one I always cherish the most is the miracle of my salvation.
Can you verify this? </font>[/QUOTE]Ahh, you got me! It's just hearsay!