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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Jerome, Sep 28, 2011.
CBFMffers Incentive for Churches to Consider Women as Pastors
Molly Marshall!!!! Haven't heard that name in a couple of years. I used to follow her religio-political movements and her condemning people like Mohler for religio-political beliefs. Of course, I am in the camp of Mohler, but she is a colorful and interesting character. Nothing surprises me when her name is attached.
I gotta see what else she has been up to these last few years. It seems she is just as active as always.
Let's be sure to not lump all Missouri Baptists with this group. The CBFMO is the liberal contingent that left during the Conservative resurgence in the SBC three decades ago.
So is this saying that you do not have to call a woman as pastor but they are hoping it may change your perspective?
Seems like they are saying that they hope that folks will change and disagree with the Word of God and believe like they believe.
Mohler weighs in.
Think of it as the Rooney Rule in the NFL. No quotas are called for, just asking churches to give a woman a chance. Gotta say I like it a lot, maybe something we here in Texas can try and implement.
If churches are stopping women from being in the ministry then shame on them. There are many things women and men can do in the church. Not all can be an eye not all can be a hand or a foot or an ear or a nose etc. etc.. The church should just follow what the scripture says and not massage or bend the scripture to make it like the world. The church is God's and He knows and has stated the way it should conduct itself.
Just ask yourselves "What does the scripture say?" The scriptures will not and do not contradict itself but man can cause it to sound like it does because he is stiff-necked and stubborn and his heart is hardened by his own wishes.
Thanks for calling the vast majority of theologians throughout history "stiff-necked". Sounds rather arrogant to me.
The Bible is clear, and more clear in the Greek, that only men are Pastors. Not a stiff necked position, but a clear reading of the text.
You say things like "just follow what the scripture says and not massage or bend the scripture to make it like the world", yet advocate that churches do exactly that. Women as pastors happens when a church bends scripture to make it like the world.
Instances like this are one of the very few occasions that I wish Baptists were a denomination. I'd like to strip these "Missouri Baptists" of the name Baptist.
Fundamentalism alive and kicking, dividing, demonizing and destroying!
Liberals often demonize everything as being from fundamentalists when this issue transcends fundamentalism. The issue is what Scriptures say. From that, you have people like me, B.B. Warfield, Van Til, Spurgeon, Edwards, Machen, and many others who were distinctively not fundamentalists, but strongly for a Pastorate given to men only.
If you would, you are dividing, demonizing, and destroying instead of arguing the issues. Rather, it is the liberals who have changed scripture, characterized those who disagree, and charged the entire history of Christianity with impropriety.
Fundamentalism alive and standing on the Word of God. Try doing like your name says and go to church, rather than a social gathering, and you might figure out what the Bible teaches.
Crack me up! We aren't fundamentalists (I imagine lots of foot stomping and pulpit pounding). If you don't agree with our interpretation of scripture you're wrong, probably not a true Christian and need to go to church.
Nope, no fundamentalists here!
If you disagree that's fine, but why have an ugly attitude and attack those you disagree with?
Can you clarify to whom this is addressed?
Am I the only one that reads John Toppass's post as he is NOT advocating women pastors?
He said women can be in ministry, and even the fundy's I know believe that.. not preaching, but can still minister to others.. IF YOU all would read his post that way, you might have not jumped to fast to condemn him...
ONe question is this the Missouri Baptist in the SBC or ABC/USA?
I have reread the post and he may very well be speaking of women doing ministry, but not as pastors. If that is the case, then I apologize for jumping to conclusions and admit my error in the situation.
Tim, it's neither SBC nor ABC-USA; it's CBF of Missouri.
And that was my take on Toppass too.
But not suprised by the visceral reactions.
All too typical.
Indeed it does.
Witness this exchange between noted Baptist pastors John Roach Straton and J. W. Gillon at a nationwide Baptist gathering:
Associated Press, New York, March 11, 1927
Minister Says Church Stone Blind in Regard To Women Preachers
Notice it was the great Northern Fundamentalist John Roach Straton favoring women preachers.
Who was the Southerner naysayer? None other than J. W. Gillon, one-time pastor of Forth Worth's Broadway Baptist Church [yes, THAT Broadway Baptist Church!].
I believe the Bible supports gift-based, not gender-based ministry. There is no reason not to interview the best candidates, men and women.
You are right to categorize this as a fundamentalist attitude. Even if one is not a fundamentalist, demonizing those who would open the pulpit up to whomever God calls is a fundamentalist attitude.
Don't agree with it? That's understandable, but don't pretend for a minute that any of us aren't listening to the Bible. That's nothing but self-righteous, exclusive crap.
This is completely ridiculous. Most evangelical egalitarians are members of a gathering that could not be termed a "social" club. It's an uninformed argument to present.
Try checking out the Christians for Biblical Equality website. It's a wonderful evangelical group of which I am a card-carrying member.