Mistakes in the A.V. 1611 are Advanced Revelation

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    Let me see if I am getting this down correctly.

    The AV Anglican Version disagreed with the Greek/Hebrew.
    The AV Anglican Version translated a phrase/word with a different meaning.
    The AV Anglican Version used a dynamic phrase instead of formal equivalence.
    The AV Anglican Version added verses from the Vulgate that were in NO Greek text.

    And these are "Advanced Revelation" - God giving a NEW WORD or NEW MEANING in 1611 that was hitherto undiscerned? There are no real "errors" in the AV Anglican Version because they are straightening out/clarifying the message for us today?

    My mouth is hanging open on that one. Someone explain the (1) logic and (2) Scriptural support for that steaming pile??
     
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    thanke ewe;

    i wus wunderin watt bibbel wus thee reel bibbel. nauw i am ownly king jaimes. bye thee weigh doktur; due ewe no wear I can get me some goode roomatizm medisin reel cheepe? [​IMG]
     
  3. HankD

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    According to at least 2 KJVO authors, that it the teaching Dr. Bob.

    But, we need to be careful not to "throw the baby (KJV) out with the bath water (KJVO doctrine)". IMO this is the plan of the real individual behind the scenes.

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    Let me see if I am getting this down correctly.

    The AV Anglican Version disagreed with the Greek/Hebrew.
    The AV Anglican Version translated a phrase/word with a different meaning.
    The AV Anglican Version used a dynamic phrase instead of formal equivalence.
    The AV Anglican Version added verses from the Vulgate that were in NO Greek text.

    And these are "Advanced Revelation" - God giving a NEW WORD or NEW MEANING in 1611 that was hitherto undiscerned? There are no real "errors" in the AV Anglican Version because they are straightening out/clarifying the message for us today?

    My mouth is hanging open on that one. Someone explain the (1) logic and (2) Scriptural support for that steaming pile??
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    Actually you have it reversed, unfortunately. It accurately is this:

    The MV'S disagree with the Greek texts (RT from the churches)and the correct Hebrew texts

    The MV'S translated a phrase/verse with a different meaning and in many cases OMITTED them.

    The MV'S use dynamic equivalence more often than formal equivalence

    The MV'S added/deleted verses that were not in the Greek text (TR long preserved in the churches) and rather rely upon Alexandrian corrupt texts.

    These MV'S are giving a NEW WORD or NEW MEANING from what the churches have believed, lived and known, that is hitherto and unfortunately undiscerned by many today. But I guess many today believe there are many errors in God's words, because God does not providentially provide it for us as he promised.

    My mouth is hanging open on this. Someone please explain to many of us the 1.) logic 2.)scriptural support for this steaming pile?

    As to Hanks reply that we shouldn't throw out the KJV with the bath water. Oh to that I agree. However we should throw out the MV'S with the bath water.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  5. Slambo

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    Well put Michelle!!!!!!

    "Steaming pile"?

    Nice dialog there preacher :rolleyes:
     
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    Michelle, maybe God simply corrected what we already had. Sound familiar?
     
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    Dr. Bob, I notice how the response from "the other side" has been to avoid your main point and simply say "other Bibles did it too!" I guess that, in a way, is an admission that they think your comments were correct and/or they cannot explain how you are wrong.
     
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    I read about this doctrine
    first in a comic book:

    http://www.chick.com/

    Sorry Sister Michelle, you assume a homogenity among
    the Modern Versions (MV) which does NOT exist.
    BTW, I note that Sister Michelle is on record as
    never having read or studied a MV, in fact she things
    that would be a bad practice.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Michelle, maybe God simply corrected what we already had. Sound familiar?
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    Wrong. God is not changing the strong testimony of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The MV's have weakened that strong testimony, to which God has not, nor would do. That is not correction, but alteration.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
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    Sorry Sister Michelle, you assume a homogenity among
    the Modern Versions (MV) which does NOT exist.
    BTW, I note that Sister Michelle is on record as
    never having read or studied a MV, in fact she things
    that would be a bad practice.
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    Sorry Brother Ed, but the Lord commands me to separate from error, and touch not the unclean thing. I don't need to study the MV's in order to see the OBVIOUS AND APPARENT ERRORS. I also see the fruits being produced by these MV's and what it has done and is doing in the beliefs of christians on these boards.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
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    Michelle said "The MV's have weakened that strong testimony"

    No they haven't, and don't think we're not noticing that you are still trying to change the subject from what Dr. Bob started this thread with.
     
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    No they haven't, and don't think we're not noticing that you are still trying to change the subject from what Dr. Bob started this thread with.
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    The EVIDENCE says otherwise. This issue is not about errors in God's words of truth, for there are no errors in his words. This issue is about the errors in the MV'S that you all condone, and say aren't there, when they are EVIDENCED they are. Go on and believe the lies. But remember this"

    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
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    michelle said "The EVIDENCE says otherwise."

    No it doesn't. Your biased opinion does.

    michelle said "This issue is about the errors in the MV'S that you all condone"

    No, reread the first post. The issue of this thread is about the AV 1611 and only the AV 1611. Quit trying to change the subject, it only makes your position look weaker. If you want to discuss MVs, start a new thread. This thread is awaiting your response to Dr. Bob's post, on the AV 1611 and only the AV 1611.
     
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    Let's all remember that it is NOT the KJV that is the problem, most of us here at the BB love and cherish the KJV, used it all our Christian lives and have memorized hundreds of verses from it.

    KJVO doctrine and the resultant srife promoted by the unwitting disciples of this system have caused the orthodox to point out the human flaws in the AV1611 translation, correction and publication of this Bible along with explanations of its decline in use because of its growing antiquation in order to defeat this error.

    Then certain other KJVO (who apparently rejoice in this stife) take these explanations and facts and run with them, deceitfully transforming them into a "gotcha" specifically: "There you see! An attack on the Pure Word of God by the Alexandrians".

    The radical source and nature of the KJVO doctrine is the problem and not IMO the MV's (those faithful to original language texts).

    The doctrine of "advanced revelation" is the proverbial "tip of the iceberg" concerning the unorthodox and unusual views of both Dr. Ruckman and his contemporary Gail Riplinger.

    Use a good engine (Google, dopgpile) with "ruckman" and/or "riplinger" and "KJVO" you will certainly find that out for yourself.

    Be ready for a trip to the Twilight Zone.

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    To further expose the error of such thinking: suppose that these unique things in the KJV are indeed "advanced revelation" - how could we possibly know this? One would need additional advanced relevation just to know there was advance revelation in the KJV.
     
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    This argument went out of favor with Peter's experience with Cornelius. There is no longer an unclean thing, and myself being a gentile I am overjoyed by that fact.

    How in the world can you use that teaching to support a misguided attack on the Word of God?

    Please address the substance of the thread and stop attacking the Word of God. I am very concerned about your soul, from what I can tell, your constant attacks on the Word of God are punishable by your removal from the book of life, see Rev. 22:18-19 in the AV.

    How dare you voice the words of Satan in the garden about the very Word of God. It is unconscienable
     
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    I am with you Dr. Bob, I have been absolutely dumfounded by the attacks on the preservation of the Word by the KJVO position.

    Clearly I have not been blessed by a second work of Grace required for me to understand the truth.

    Steaming Pile is an apt description
     
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    How dare you voice the words of Satan in the garden about the very Word of God. It is unconscienable
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    You are the one being duped by Satan. He has made you think God allows errors in his word of truth.
    You should be concerned for your own souls, as you all seemed to have lost your first love.(Gen.3:1, Psalm 119, John 5:39-47, Rev.3:14-22)


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
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    Natters, Dr. Bob pointed the KJV. Michelle pointed MVs. YOU do not want to COMPARE them. To see double sides is to see obviously the evidence showing the difference between them.
     
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    Yea verily, ad hominem ad nauseam.
     

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