Mitt Romney's five biggest liabilities as GOP nominee

Who said they shouldn't? Strawman.

I haven't seen Mormons strap bombs to their bodies and walk into a building and blow it up. Haven't seen Mormons fly airplanes into skyscrapers. Or call for the annihilation of Israel. Or start civil wars. Drive trucks laden with bombs into embassies. Kidnap people. Pilot a boat full of bombs into a U.S. Naval ship. Plant vehicles with bombs in them in the parking ramp of the WTC. Throw handicapped Jews off the deck of cruise ships. Behead news reporters.

We're not endorsing their religious views. We are accepting their policy views.

Romney supports DOMA and believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Romney has said the first executive order he would issue once he became President would be to rescind funding for overseas abortions.

Because it's not a political issue. Besides the constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

Yep, because no one can know for sure what someone believes in their heart, but we can see actions they take and hold them accountable for political promises they make.

Taking a side on political issues for a candidate that opposes abortion and gay marriage is not doing the devil's work.

I can hear the loud angry questions now: HOW CAN YOU, AS A CHRISTIAN SUPPORT A CANDIDATE THAT IS PRO-LIFE AND IS AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE? THAT'S RUINING YOUR WITNESS!"

Seriously, though, if someone were to ask how a Christian could vote for a Mormon that is a great opportunity to witness.

And not voting for Romney might as well be a vote for Obama, and we know Obama is for abortion and for gay rights.

Like this one:

And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Matt. 22:21

Nope. Idolatry is worshiping something as being equal to God.

So would you vote for a Jew?

Voting for someone is not the same thing as worshiping them.

 

Oh gosh. This is another one of those "strawman, heiferdust, red herring" boards. :BangHead:

You asked what was more harmful to Christianity. What does whether or not someone commits terrorist acts has to do with Christianity? If you're asking which is most harmful to God's Kingdom, I say again neither because Christians are doing the work of the devil for them by supporting that which is against Christ.

And as Obama has stated, their policy views are influenced by whatever "Faith" they follow. And it is spiritually dishonest for Christians to say we're accepting their policy views and not their religious views. If that were the case, Christians shouldn't have any problem with the policy views of a candidate who promotes pro-abortion or pro-gay marriage since we're separating the two.

And Romney supports the worship of a false god. Which one is more important?

And Romney still worships a false god. Is rescinding abortion more important than presenting a picture of someone worshiping Jesus Christ over a false god? Is this worldly kingdom more important than God's Kingdom?

So who he worships is not a political issue, but the immoral decisions that the pro-abortion and pro-gay agenda candidates make are political issues? You just gave a very clear picture of hypocrisy.

The Greek word for that is baloney. He's a practicing Mormon. It doesn't take much to find out what he believes. He served over the Boston Stake for the Mormon Church. An elementary examination of the faith will show what he believes in his heart or else they would have kicked him out and never let him reach a position of leadership in the church.

And this "we can hold them accountable for political promises" with all of a sudden no care for the picture that they present of being against Christ is dumbfounding.

But this is what happens when people start placing their allegiance to this world and its politics before their allegiance to Christ.

Sure it is when you say those things are serious issues but don't have a problem with Romney's idolatry( worship of a false god).

Naah. That's the loud angry question you think they will ask. But the actual loud question that they are gonna ask is:

HOW CAN YOU, AS A CHRISTIAN , BE AGAINST A CANDIDATE THAT IS PRO-ABORTION AND IS FOR GAY MARRIAGE BUT JUSTIFY SUPPORTING A CANDIDATE WHO IS PRO-WORSHIP A FALSE GOD WHO IS NOT JESUS? THAT'S RUINING YOUR WITNESS!

Do tell. I worship at the feet of Jesus Christ. How is supporting that which is against Christ a great opportunity to witness? There is no difference between what you're saying and what Obama says about his "faith" giving him the opportunity to treat others the way Jesus would want him to treat them by taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

And we know Romney worships a false god. In the scope of witnessing for God's Kingdom, which is more damaging? Someone saying he is a Christian while worshiping a false god, or someone saying he is a Christian while endorsing abortion?

Right, because it's politics of the world, God is okay with those who say they are following Him endorsing that which is against Him. Give me a break. That's just silly.:smilewinkgrin:

Nope. Biblical idolatry is having a god before GOD. All you got to do is go right back to the Ten Commandments and read it.:thumbs:

If he were a Messianic Jew, sure.

You missed my point. I was referencing who the candidate is worshiping.

 

It is when they are erected. Stop doing it and it ceases to be one

 

I remember many years ago, probably early to mid 50s, I heard a KJO preacher ranting about the usual. The comment that really struck me was along this line:

"There may be an i not dotted, but I doubt it; There may be a t not crossed, but I doubt it; There may be a period missing, but I doubt it; There may be a comma misplaced, but I doubt it----" and on & on & on.

Point being, that I think we have one of his descendents on this board now; just based on posts being made!:BangHead:

 

When the targets are Christians it has a lot to do with harming Christianity.

OK, Obama says he is a Christian. I should vote for him. Got it.

Policy views and religious views can be separated. And I wouldn't use Obama as an example of someone that speaks truth.

There's that strawman again!

The President (or a candidate) is not advancing a religious belief, they are advancing political positions.

God's Kingdom is more important, but Presidents are not evangelists and are not seeking to convert people to their religious views. In the context of this thread, your question is a false choice.

Who a candidate worships is not a political issue. The US Constitution has a religious freedom clause in it. Abortion and gay rights are open for legislation. Religious views are not.

Furthermore, Muslims are pro-life. Muslims are anti-gay rights. Obama says he's a Christian. He is pro-abortion and pro gay rights. Based on this we should all be voting for Obama. Your logic is silly.

Only to a person (you) that cannot separate legislative actionable items from religious beliefs.

I had no idea that hypocrisy and false professions of faith were impossible in Mormonism! Fact is, Romney is a professing Mormon, just as Obama is a professing Christian. Only they know in their heart what they truly believe.

That's because they cannot affect my faith in Christ. They can affect laws I have to live under.

Darn strawman, shoo! Scat!

I'm not voting for the President to be my religious leader. I'm voting for him to implement the laws of the land.

Really? You can't see how a simple response like, "I'm voting for Romney because I think he will do the most good for Americans like me, but I have a big problem with his Mormonism, because Mormons aren't Christians." You don't see how that would cause follow up questions and a discussion?

As far as witnessing to people, it doesn't have any effect.

The endorsement is of political policy positions, not individual religious beliefs. I hope I have made that clear, seeing as how I've said it numerous times now.

I happen to believe that the element of worship is needed for idolatry to happen. A subject for another thread.

OK, how about an atheist? They have no belief in God, Allah, Jesus, Buddah, nobody. If an atheist's political stances lined up with yours would you vote for he/she?

 

So Muslim terrorists has to do with Christians but Christians supporting a man who worships a false god does not?

I don't know where you got that from. It certainly wasn't from anything that I said. Obama is about as anti-Christ as they come and should not be supported anymore than Christians should be supporting a man who worships a false god.:thumbs:

Now who said they couldn't be separated? This whole policy view vs religious view is the real strawman.

And if they can be separated, there is no reason for evangelicals to say they won't vote for a candidate because he's pro-abortion or pro-same-sex marriage.

Amazing that the strawman pops up every time hypocrisy is exampled.

So pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage are now political positions and not moral issues?

No it's not a false choice. It's just one that Christians are choosing to toss out because they want to be able to support a candidate who worships a false god and feel okay about it while hypocritically taking a stance against other things that they feel are moral issues.

Just building excuses to justify Christian hypocrisy. The US Constitution doesn't trump God. Lying and theft by force can be legislated too. Just ask the man pushing Obamacare.

Who a candidate worships is a moral issue just like supporting gay marriage and abortion are moral issues. Christians are just conveniently choosing for Romney's worshiping a false god to not be a moral issue because it lets them feel okay with voting for him.

I could care less that Muslims are pro-life or anti-gay rights. They worship a false god and are on the way to hell just as Romney is. That's the connection Christians seem to be missing. Christendom is doing the work of the devil by placing tacit approval upon this man who worships a false god so they might as well endorse a Muslim. There wouldn't be any difference.

Only to a person who thinks that something has to be legislative in order to be held up against God's standard.

There seems to be a lot of things that folks in here don't know. But that's why the country is where it is and fully deserving of all the chaos and destruction that four more years of an Obama administration can bring.

Yes it's okay to not trust the man who has shown himself to be an anti-Christ. But it's okay to trust the man whose faith shows him to be an anti-Christ too?

We can tear him down when the hypocrisy leaves.

If you're voting for Romney, you're voting against a right Christian witness just as you would be voting for Obama.

Absolutely amazing how Christians have convinced themselves that supporting this man who worships a false god is a non-issue. No wonder so many Christians lack a witness for Christ. They are too busy making excuses that let them witness for this dying world.

Sure do. Question #1 would be what does his not being a Christian have to do with anything?

Question #2 would be So you got a problem with him not being a Christian, but not enough of a problem to not vote for him?

Question #3 Are your politics more important than your following Christ because it sure looks that way?

Question #4 Why should I listen to anything you have to say about Christ and Christianity when you can't even take a stance against someone who worships a false god over the God you say you follow?

Now it's sad to even say that. All that says is that the world is so used to Christian hypocrisy that they expect it and will be quicker yet to receive anything from Christians.

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The only thing you done is make excuses just as a lot of other evangelicals have done in order to make endorsing that which is against Christ palatable to yourself.

It sure is. And elevating your politics above devotion to Christ is worship. Thus the term idol worship.

They reject Jesus Christ just as Romney rejects Jesus Christ. What are you missing here?:smilewinkgrin: Why would I place my support behind someone who rejects Jesus Christ?

 

You keep harping on Romney worshiping a false god. Atheists don't worship any god.

The core issue here is that whoever is running for President cannot affect my belief in Christ. They can, however, affect moral issues via legislation. I'm going to support the candidate that aligns with my moral issues over someone that does not align with my moral issues. The candidate's personal religious beliefs are not being voted up or down. I could vote for a pro-life, anti gay-rights atheist. I cannot vote for a self-professed Christian (Obama) that is pro-choice and pro gay-rights.

Your attempt to twist this into idolatry is pathetic.

 

Yep. Three words: Supreme Court Nominations. Scuttlebutt has it that 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices will retire soon. Do we really want another likes of a liberal Kagan or Sotamayer appointed to the highest court in the land? Because not voting or a vote for obama will accomplish just that.

 

The worship of no god is the worship of a god. As much as atheists like to say they don't practice religion, their god is their disbelief that there is a god.

And Christians shouldn't be voting for atheists either.:thumbs:

This ain't about you and your belief in Christ. This is about obedience and being an effective witness for Christ. You're grafted into the tree already. What about everybody else?

And worshiping a false god is not a moral issue? (smh) Even odder that folks think you can reject the one by whom morality is measured and still be moral.

Again, all that says is that abortion and the gay issue are bigger for you than someone worshiping the one true God. And that's the witness it gives to a lost world. That Christians care more about issues than they do about whether or not someone is going to hell.

As I have said plenty of times, it's getting so that the devil doesn't have to lift a finger because Christians are doing the anti-Christ witnessing for him.

The attempts to deny it as idolatry so that folks can feel okay with voting for a man who worships a false god is what is sad and pathetic.

 

And if Christians are going to continue to put this country and their politics before their allegiance to God, ,shall He place that scourge known as Obama back into the White House for another 4 years to give this country EXACTLY what it is due.

 

And that is your opinion and you are sticking by it.

Fact: You do not know what is in Mitt Romney's heart.

Fact: You do not know what is in the hearts of the members here and whether their allegiance is to God or politics.

Fact: A vote for obama or not voting at all, will help put obama back into office for another 4 years.

Fact: Not all Mormons worship a false god. Some profess to be Christians. Some profess that "Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior...." Some might even be your brothers and sisters in Christ.

Fact: Not all Baptists worship the true God and not all Baptists are Christians.

Final Fact: This thread is off topic.

 

Fact: He's a practicing Mormon so I know Jesus Christ ain't in there.

Fact: The members in here are subject to having their actions righteously judged by God's truth just like every other person in the world is.

Fact: Your concern is for beating Obama. Mine is for keeping Christ FIRST.

Fact: You OBVIOUSLY don't know what you;re talking about.:laugh: they ALL profess to be Christians. As was said before, 80+% of Americans profess to be Christians.

Fact: Hypocritical Baptists are subject to the righteous judgment of God's word just like everybody else.:thumbsup:

FINAL Fact: The thread is talking about Romney's biggest liabilities and one of those is the fact that he's a Mormon. The thread is dead on topic.

 

I suspect he is closer to God than the baby killer Obama!

THat goes for you and as a junior member, whatever that is, you are very Pharisaical.

How can you say you are keeping Jesus Christ first by supporting a person [Obama] whose policies are directly contrary to Scripture.

He is a rabid supporter of abortion. As a state senator in Illinois he fought against a law that would provide medical treatment for aborted babies born alive.

He supports homosexual behavior which is condemned by Scripture, both Old and New Testaments.

He is dictatorial in his policies and dictatorial in his actions.

He is a Marxist!

He is a racist and on several occasions has played the race card. Rather than working to bring races together in this country he has driven them further apart.

That is sheer arrogance. Who made you judge; but then your dear leader, Obama, is supremely arrogant and judgmental.

And again you are a supreme example of hypocrisy.

CTB has one ally on this thread whether he wants him or not!

 

You are correct! We are trying to get the anti-Christ man in the White House out! We know something about Romney and his religion. We know almost nothing about Obama and his religion, even after four years.

 

There's an old Gospel song that says 99 and a 1/2 won't do. What is it that y'all don't get? He's a Mormon. He chooses to worship a false god. How does that make Him closer to God than a baby killer?

Oddly, because y'all want to feel okay voting for this man, some of you have gotten this mistaken notion that worshiping a false god ain't as bad as abortion or any of the other Christian sins du jour for politics.

If it didn't go for me as a Christian too, I wouldn't have said it. And yes, I've been called worse by those who want to assuage their own feelings about supporting a man who worships a false god.

I don't know where you got the mistaken notion from that I support Obama. I wouldn't support that anti-Christ if he were the only person running.:laugh:

Yep. Everything Christ is for he is against. Yet somehow all that stuff carries more weight for some of y'all than the fact that a man is worshiping a false god.

The same One who just allowed you to judge. And you continue to unrighteously judge and be just plain wrong because you haven't read or seen anything that says I support barack Hussein Obama.

It would only be hypocritical if I denied judgment by God's truth.

And the worshiper of a false god has a lot of allies in this thread too.

 

And as a I said, if folks are gonna elevate their desire to get that anti-Christ out of office over keeping God first by supporting a man who worships a false god, then they might as well identify that desire as the idolatry that it is.

 

Of course I care about whether or not someone (Romney) is going to hell. You show me where I can cast a vote for Romney to get saved and I'll do it. Meanwhile I CAN vote for Romney to curtail abortions and gay rights.

 

Saturneptune, is that you?

 

smh Who said that you didn't care about someone (Romney) going to hell?


I said that y'all making abortion and gay marriage a bigger issue than worshiping a false god gives the impression that you care more about those issues than folks going to hell.

And that's why some can hitch their wagon to the false god worshiper while feigning to have convictions and not do the same with a pro-abortion/pro-gay supporting candidate.

It's hypocritical.

 

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