MMF - biblical principle

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  1. MagicDar

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    I think its interesting that so many have a problem with music with a beat being in the church. In Psalm 150 it talks about dancing in the sanctuary. In Eccl. it talks about there being a time for everything including dancing. Dancing is done in celebration so when done in the church its done in celebration of Jesus and the life we have in him. I go to a church where we are free to dance and use banners and we have a praise band and it is all very uplifting to God.

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    [ September 08, 2002, 10:10 PM: Message edited by: Aaron ]
     
  2. gabba

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    me agrees wif ya, CDm christian Dance Musik rocks the place! woh! yeah! woh! yeah!


    dj's mixing , dj's mixing...
     
  3. Bob Landis

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    The question to ask yourselves is this, is the music your listening to and playing pleasing to God, or just to your flesh?
     
  4. Daniel

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    One needs to also consider the evil associations linked to today's dancing. Anyone studying Bible history knows that the Bible dancing did not accompany close physical contact between the sexes. It also did not involve suggestive bodily movements (except at the Golden Calf incident--and God strongly judged the people for that particular act...). Bible dancing involved a singular individual moving in a twirling motion. There was no pelvic thrusting (grinding) or any other vulgar movement involved...Now, Dar, I'm NOT saying that's what happens at your church. I'm sure nothing of the sort occurs; however, due to the fact that God asks us to separate ourselves from the world (system) unto Himself, I believe it would be unwise to dance in church. My Bible reading in I Cor. 14 talks about NON-CONFUSION in terms of our worship of the Lord. Because most of today's dancing is so sensual and vulgar, dance in the church can confuse the weaker brother or the newer Christian. It also becomes a stumblingblock to older, veteran Christians. We must ask if we have designed our worship to our liking or God's liking. Dar, I know you believe you are doing what the Lord wants you to do in this area, but please consider the signal (message) you are sending to others by what your doing. I will not get into arguments with you on this thread. Please don't come back with a fighting spirit. I have no desire to do that with you. I just want you to sincerely think about the things I've posted. That's all....
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MagicDar: In Psalm 150 it talks about dancing in the sanctuary. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It is interesting that people who are for dancing often say that the Bible teaches dancing. But they do not consider that the sanctuary (the temple) was not built during the time the Psalms were composed. Therefore, they couldn’t possibly dance in the Temple. :(

    Psalm 150, therefore, teaches us something else. It is a doxology of some sort to consummate the fifth book of the Psalms. As the final song of praise, it appropriately answers four key questions about praise.

    (1) Where should God be praise? Everywhere, from His sanctuary on earth to His heavenly creation (v.1).
    (2) Why should God be praised? For His powerful deeds on behalf of men and for His inherent greatness (v. 2).
    (3) How should God be praised? With every suitable instrument man can offer with his God-given creativity and artistry (vv. 3-5).
    (4) Who should praise God? Everything that breathes (v. 6).

    Now, unless I have missed something, I do not see at all that Psalm 150 would talk about dancing in the temple. Do you? [​IMG]
     
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    &lt; But they do not consider that the sanctuary (the temple) was not built during the time the Psalms were composed. &gt;

    The portable dwelling place ('tabernacle'), which is called the "sanctuary," most definitely was built well before the large majority of Psalms were composed.
    Exodus 25:8
    Exodus 36:4
    Numbers 3:28
    Joshua 24:26

    Furthermore, God does not dwell in temples made with human hands, Paul said (Acts 17:24), even though he (in the NC era) went there and had sacrifice offered for him (Acts 21:26).

    Whether the temple was or was not built during the composition of Psalms is a meaningless item of contention in relation to dancing commanded in Psalm 150.
     
  7. myreflection26

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    I have to agree with Dar about this.

    Keep in mind that the bible does say to dance in the sanctuary, and I believe that means we are to dance in celebration. Separating ourselves from the world and not dancing would be a condratiction since that is what God told us to do....it doesn't have to be dirty and if an older person goes to a church where dancing goes on and it offends them perhaps the whole situation needs to be evaluated and not just the dancing.

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    Thanks for being considerate toward the older folks. But dancing is definitely out, yes?! ;)
     
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    Sorry but not according to scripture. Perhaps in ones opinion it is, but too many scripture says we are to dance. Plus in my church, it is very much not unusual.

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  10. Daniel

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    Sue: please give the Bible references for dancing in the sanctuary. If possible, please use the Authorized Version (KJV)...some newer translations seem to read modern-day terminology contrary to the original manuscripts into their updated translations. This could be a fascinating study. :eek: :confused:
     
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    Sure thing, however I do not favor KJV so I will be using NIV.

    Psalm 149 Praise the Lord. Sing to the Lord a new song, his praise in the assembly of the saints.

    2 Let Irael rejoice in their Maker let the people of Zion be glad in their king.

    3 Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp.

    Psalm 150 1 Praise the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary praise him in his mighty heavens.

    2 Praise him for his acts of power praise him for his surpassing greatness.

    3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet praise him with the harp and lyre

    4 Praise him with tambourine and dancing praise him with the strings and flute.


    My main point is not so much dancing in church is biblical but that dancing in Jesus is biblical.

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  12. Daniel

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    Describe what you do with this dance and how you look to the opposite sex as you do it. Are you stimulating them in any way? If so, uh oh!
     
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    Daniel,

    If I am stimulating any guy with jumping up and down or spinning around in a circle or skipping and leaping not to mention with jeans and a baggy tee shirt on then I would like to know what the heck any guy in our church is doing while I am dancing.

    My point is, pretty much every person is doing the exact same thing I am doing and the thought process is hardly me but the worship of Jesus.

    I know many people think "dirty" when the word dancing is mentioned but in reality there is no dirty moves being made when we are dancing but more like an interpretive dance or leaping around or skipping or waving flags and banners.

    Sue

    Ps. I see just as many men dancing as women.
     
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    So then, is this a "new age 'Cheer Leaders for Jesus' group??"
     
  15. myreflection26

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    DHK rofl...so how are we now defining our worship service as "new age"? Am I missing something here? Since when is leaping for Joy or skipping and jumping new age?

    alllrighty then

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    As Christians, we are to Glorify God in any possible way. And Psalm 149:3-4 says: "Let them praise his name with dancing and make music to him with tambourine and harp. For the Lord takes deleight in his people..." So i think that is God saying we should dance. As long as the dancing is wholesome and totally non sexual.
     
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    Sue,
    "Since when is leaping for Joy or skipping and jumping new age?"
    --I don't exactly find this a Biblical concept either. Sure, David did it after receiving the ark back from the enemies in a time of war. I don't think we live in a comparable situation, and I don't think what David did within his culture in his day is justification for dancing today. Let's stick to the New Testament. The Lord Jesus Christ and His disciples did sing. But somehow I just can't imagine our Lord of glory jumping up and down like a cheerleader at a football game. Mat.26:30 "And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives." There was no jumping up and down here, no trace of it all.
    Rev.5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
    --no jumping up and down here either.
    --So where does this concept come from? The people jumped up and down naked as they danced around a golden calf, and that was to the beat of a drum. From my studies, I find that in every instance, all sorts of instruments are used for worship to Jehovah, except the drum. The drum is mentioned only in reference to war, or in worship of an idol, as it was in the golden calf episode.
     
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    DHK,

    Your response to that really shocks me being that you stick to the KJV. If we are to stick to only NT then why would God give us both new and old? Not to mention that the golden calf is not the only time dancing is mentioned and certainly not just for war, you need to read a bit more. Try the last two chapters of Psalms where it clearly says to dance before the Lord and Eccl where it says there is a time for everything and that includes dancing in there too. I have yet to find a passage where Jesus is dancing, doesn't mean there isn't one I just haven't found any but the fact is the bible certainly doesn't condemn it in any way but actually encourages us to do so in praise to God.

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  19. Daniel

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    The Bible also endorses doing everything decently and in order. No wonder the apostle Paul didn't dance. He would have had to violate the very verse the Holy Spirit had Him pen...we also need to abstain from the appearance of evil...no doubt your dance could be construed as the appearance of evil by some. If that's the case you should do what Paul did regarding meat offered to idols. He didn't eat it if it caused a weaker brother to stumble. Do you know for sure that you so called worship dancing is NOT causing a brother to stumble. I understand you're not a man, Sue, but every man in this thread knows what visual stimulation does to him. And, no, he does not have to be a pervert to be tempted. Sue, you're allowing what you want to supercede what may be best for your Christian brothers. It's not about us and what we want. It's about God and what He wants.
     
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    Daniel,

    You're missing the point here. At our church everyone there does the same thing in dancing, its not looked upon as a sexual thing because its not sexual and yes I know this for sure. If there were someone there who was offended I assure you they wouldn't return to be offended again. This is not a sexual dance such as hip thrusts or moving in a provocitive way, this is jumping and leaping in celebration or in spiritual warfare and there is absolutely nothing sexual about it. No its not just what I want, it is very biblical and since the bible tells us to dance I have no problem in doing so, and neither does anyone else who attends because I assure you I am not the only one dancing, more than half the church if not the whole church dances too.

    Sue
     

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