On the Music Thread I said Dr. Bob mentioned it might be 'interesting' to start a thread. Let me say that I know this is a Baptist Board and by and large most of the posters feel the the Manifestations of the Holy Spirits Presence have ceased... However there *is* a 'phenomena' amongst Charismatics and Pentecostals where both 'Prophets' and 'Apostles' are considered real and viable. As you can see in my quote I, as a pentecostal, have trouble with a lot of what I am seeing... The term Apostle is used in so many ways it automatically causes problems. Some denoms even call their High Level leaders Apostles.. Where is my head at... Earlier I said that I did not believe *TRUE* Apostle exist today... That is not entirely correct. I have a lot of 'qualifications' to the Office of Apostle. But, for an Apostle to be of the NT kind they would have to not only see Jesus but walk with Him, physically. I believe that both Apostles and Prophets exist today... (With Qualifications) But, they are not who most think they are... And, they are few and far between... And, because of the fraudulent ones the real ones are almost never listened to. If we were to accept the premise that Apostle and Prophets 'could' exist in todays church then we would need to delineate just what they would be... Even today I firmly believe that an Apostle needs to be someone who has seen Jesus. Even if it is only a Pauline vision. I have known a few people who have claimed to have had a vision of Jesus. They were changed forever. Not one of them capitalized on the experience. There was a noted awe in their voices that thier Lord would even consider such of them. Humbled. I haven't seen the dead raised, yet. But, I have seen cripples walk again... Again, the person prayng never claimed Apostolic calling or Power. They were just humble men who were available for use as God's Instrument. Quite a contrast from today's crop. The Prophetic is an area where the total lack of accountability should, if nothing else, raise warning flags of hurricane proportions. It is far too easy to claim to be a Prophet. And, I, as one who has very reluctantly prophesied, honestly don't understand the total lack of apparent concern for 'getting it wrong'. To the best of my knowledge the very few things I spoke in God's Name have remained 100% accurate to this date many years later. True prophets very seldom get a reward, and are very seldom listened to, either. If a Prophet has to be able to turn it on and off like a light switch them I am decidedly not a Prophet. First of all... I run from it because, even though always right when I act as a Prophet... And, I **always** get in trouble for doing so. Apostles and Prophets are human and will make mistakes... But, NEVER when actually operating in the gift of their calling... Like that old motto... The Quality goes in before the Name goes on... I guess I should go get my Crash Crew Turn-Out Gear on so I can stand the fire about to come my way?