Modern worship example

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  1. agedman

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    Can some one explain how short video clip this is NOT an example of what the worldly modernist contemporary music "worship" would consider Holy?

    This was performed by a choir that is considered "religious."

    Click here

    Note the setting, the back drop, the staging, the audience reaction.

    By comparing the typical modern "worship" to this presentation by the nuns, can some one explain how God is truly praised?
     
  2. quantumfaith

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    I truly hope you can distinguish something that intended for purposeful worship vs. something that is a mere performance.

    In My contemp church, I do "pat my feet" with JOY, some even raise their hands.
     
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    Just as "religious" as this choir.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghHE_kVWXxM

    Note the setting and all that other stuff. Oh and they're all nuns as well.

    Surely you grasp at straws.
     
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    Brother, this was a secular concert in Maastricht, Holland by Andre Rieu and his orchestra and singers. This was not a worship service.

    These women were not nuns. They were a group of very talented artists singing the medley "I Will Follow Him" from the movie "Sister Act".

    They were partially pretending to be nuns in the beginning as a homage to that scene in that secular film.

    The people in the audience were there to be secularly entertained by secular performers. The backdrop for this portion of the performance was to remind people of the movie and the medley's reference to nuns.

    This was not a church service. The audience was not God. The audience was human beings. I, as one of those human beings, enjoyed the performance very much.
     
  5. agedman

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    Two responses and still no indication of how "this is NOT an example of what the worldly modernist contemporary music "worship" would consider Holy?"

    Religious setting? yep - see the backdrop.

    Use of religious music performers? yep - actual nuns not fake as the movie used.

    Surely this is typical of the modern worship.

    Click on the link HERE.
     
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    Really? Why the backdrop then? What is it supposed to be a statement of - fine art, or a cathedral?

    Nope, they are introduced by Rieu as "the nuns of ...." They were not a group of "very talented" secular artists.



    No doubt, but then isn't the typical "audience" in any modern large church a mixed group of wheat and tares?


    No doubt the audience is "human beings." I wouldn't expect dogs, cats, cows, and planets.

    I was not suggesting the WHOLE performance that day was a religious service.

    I posted specific clip and asked how this is not an example of the modern worship service.

    That some want to suggest it was "secular" and not sacred is not a problem to the believer.

    For to the true believer, there is no separation between secular and sacred. All matters are sacred to the believer - even the manner of living (presented by Paul as "our conversation") are to be as unto the Lord.
     
  7. quantumfaith

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    Agedman, you really need to get out more.
     
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    Pretty much what I was going to say. How can anyone think this is a religious concert or religious venue?

    If you're going to use this to bolster your case against contemporary worship, I shudder to think how you understand other issues.
     
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    The OP: "Can some one explain how short video clip this is NOT an example of what the worldly modernist contemporary music "worship" would consider Holy?"


    At what point did the OP state that the example WAS a worship service?

    It didn't.

    The OP was drawing parallel to the video clip as an EXAMPLE of the worldly modernist contemporary music "worship."

    So far, the posts have not shown the example as contrary to the modern contemporary "worship" music considered by some on the BB as holy.

    Just so some will not think that Sister Act originated the song, it was a love song first written in Italian.

    Here is the very popular version by "Little Peggy March" (Margaret Annemarie Battavio) on the "Perry Como" show in 1963 - about the time the song became number one on the charts. "I Will Follow Him."
     
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    Semantics Agedman. You are welcome in this forum to rant about "modern" or
    "contemp" worship all you want. Enjoy rallying all the troops who share that misguided passion. I am HONORED and GRATEFUL to be part of a church who employs a "modern" or "contemp" style of worship. I am particularly grateful for the people attending, being exposed to, and in great numbers responding to the message of redemption. Thank You Father in Heaven for reaching differing peoples using differing methods. May YOU continue to be praised, worshiped, adored in my heart and through the worship of my local church.
     
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    QF: Of course you conveniently failed to mention that "Little" Peggy March attended the Lansdale (PA) CATHOLIC School; therefore, EVERY word of that song is merely a thinly-veiled attempt to follow the RC POPE! :smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Ditto here.
     
  13. Scarlett O.

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    Brother, we already knew that.

    The reason that the song when performed in the movie, Sister Act, was received so well is that people of that particular age group grew up as youngsters and teens listening to the song in the 1960's.

    I recognized the song back when the movie came out because my mother used to listen to it when I was a child.

    It was wildly popular back in the 1960's. Hollywood uses songs from the 60's and 70's all the time in their modern soundtracks. It's done to introduce young people to that music and draw in the older crowd.

    I'd really like to have a profitable conversation with you on this.

    Could you raised one or two specific points where you find contemporary music unholy? Maybe we could discuss those.
     
  14. quantumfaith

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    Sorry, but I am not following you here. But I can say with all honesty, I did not "conveniently" forget anything. When I forget, I actually do forget. But, I really do not understand you.....is that convenient enough?
     
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    Try looking up the definition of the word "sarcasm" in your dictionary. :smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin:
     
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    The video in the OP? Nope. If it's at all religious, I'd call it religious entertainment, not worship. There's a difference.

    The video linked here: yes, in some churches. Not all churches that use contemporary music have all the fancy lights and showy stuff. My church doesn't.
    I don't necessarily have an automatic problem with those that do, though. I'd go to a church like that if the preaching was Biblically sound and they had good Bible studies and/or small groups. In fact a church in my area had a religious conference aimed at youth, with lights and stuff. Unnecessary? Of course. No one's gonna say you need any of that stuff to worship God. It didn't make it any less worshipful, though. I was there, and I felt blessed to be there.
    Worship service at camp this summer (hosted by the Georgia Baptist Convention) would fit the description of the second video, too. But that was one of the most spiritual experiences I've ever had, and the atmosphere there was something I wish I could be around all year long. It was an amazing, impactful, life-changing kind of experience, and I could see that not only in myself but everyone else there as well. (And yes, I know the difference between being blown away by a performance and feeling God's presence. There's a pretty big difference.)


    Actually, the church that hosted the conference was a church I considered attending when looking for a church home. I ended up instead with the church I attend now, which is less "showy" and probably because of that appeals to the older crowd. The second video you linked would not describe it at all. Music for the worship service is a mix of traditional and contemporary songs, played with a piano, guitar (acoustic), and an electric drum set. If the youth is involved in or leading worship the worship service leans more to the contemporary side. Those playing the instruments are good--the piano player especially is great at what he does. But if what I wanted in a church was something akin to a concert, I'd be attending the other church.
     
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