Featured Modernism

Conservatives do not ordain women. That group does not impress me. I am very aware of them. It is not a liberal/conservative issue, it is a scriptural issue.

 

The real issue.....

The real issue isn't whether or not they are "liberal"...but rather, whether or not they are SCRIPTURAL. Ordaining women to pulpit ministry is not now, nor ever will be scriptural. As I recall, the modern pentecostal/holiness/Charismatic movement had its beginnings in the teachings of Charles Parham(1873 - 1929) and then at the hands of one of his contemporaries, a woman preacher (Aimee Semple Mcpherson)(1890 - 1944). Being "scriptural" and being theologically "liberal" are not always the same thing.

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

Simply put.....

Woman "preachers", "priests", "pastors", etc., are NOT Biblical/Scriptural. They are a "construct" of disobedient, rebellious, religious or theological groups who have no regard for the final authority of God or His Word. Neither are they "modernists" in the classic definition of that term.

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

Modernism..a "classic" definition

With some help from David Cloud's Way of Life "Encyclopedia of the Bible", Modernism is "a label for an unbelieving, rationalistic approach to Christianity" and the Bible. It commomly results in a rejection of the Bible as the "Inspired" Word of God and a reliance more on the introduction of humanistic and evolutionary thinking. Jesus is commonly relegated to the role of being merely a "good" man rather than God the Son and there is no power in the atoning Blood of Christ. Modernism....in all it's humanist powerlessness is wicked and empty.
Anybody who would wish to "expand" or expound on this further is welcome.

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

get a rimless one with that little chain you put behind you in case the glass falls off, or maybe settle for a rimless monocle instead. anything that don't look modern.

 

Does that you mean that you a calvinistic/Dispy church? if so, God bless!

 

Impress you or not, they are conservative, and they do and always have ordained women. Your position is thus refuted.

And, yes, it is a scriptural issue, and these groups and other conservatives interpret the scripture on the matter differently from you.

 

That is not only offensive but untrue, as well.

 

they are NOT obeying and heeding the word of God, as there are NO scriptures that support a woman ordained as Pastoral authority in a local body!

 

This statement reminds me of the threads with titles in them that include words like "irrefutable". Just claiming it does not make it so. But good luck with that.

 

I guess my church is modern. We say "amen" and God forbid, we clap. Give me a break! Where do some of these people come from? Thank God I don't go to church with them.

 

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

We even pat our feet and sing along in worship with the band. So uplifting.

 

Jon, I appreciate your wisdom and approach. I too was, for most of my time as a christian (almost 40 years) was in a more "traditional" oriented church complete with a bulletin and a minister of announcements. I "tried" the contemporary worship as a result of a division in the church my wife and I had been in for many years. I NEVER thought "going in" that such newness, contemporary music, and a message delivered o.n big screen would be in the cards for me, however, I have become quite comfortable have grown more spiritually than I could ever have imagined. I realize, it is not for everyone, but our church has as its mission to intentionally reach out and seek those who are truly "unchurched", many who would never enter the doors of a "traditional" church. It can be at times, "messy", but "grace vs. truth" is indeed a messy tension in scripture.

 

Someone has been reading from I Opinions. "Thou shalt not clap in church." Again, "good grief." You can't make this stuff up. Probably doesn't believe in having padded pews either. After all the first century church didn't have padded pews. Let's not forget the steeple, hymn books, and a pot belled stove. Didn't have those either. God forbid those things are for the modern church.

 

I think this is silly stuff to be smirking at when there are churches in this world preaching false gospels and marching people into hell by the millions. Go tell a Mormon to throw his Book of Mormon away and start reading his Bible instead of criticizing people who follow Christ for clapping in church. I would rather them clap and do whatever than start preaching the book of Morman and reading the Muslim book of evils.

 

Exactly.....Some folks are so worried about tradition that they miss the whole point. They would rather see people go to hell than give up their extra Biblical pet peeves. I remember a man telling me that he would leave the church if we ever started projecting words to hymns on the wall. How sad for him to be so closed minded. No way he cold back up his view point with God's word but no matter to him. To hell with Biblical truth, his personal opinion was more important. Or what about the ones who left because, gasp, we had a drummer join the church and started to exercise is musical talent in the church. Imagine, being so immature and closed minded to leave God's people over an extra Biblical point of view.