Moisture or Miracle?

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  1. MikeS

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    There are some really old people who live in Boston. Those who believe that image in the window resembles the Virgin Mary must be at least 2000 years old.

    There were no camera's and there exists no permanent record of any kind relating to the image of Mary the Virgin.
     
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    Mike --

    Well, while I am not runnin' out to grab a bus ticket tomorrow, I must say that it is a most interesting ..... (ahhhhh, sheesh, what DO you call it?) picture in the window. It is more clear in the second link than the first and it really does look like the Blessed Virgin holding the Holy Child.

    But remember, we are called by the Church to treat such things with considerable skepticism.

    Cordially in Christ through the Blessed Virgin,


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    There are some really old people who live in Boston. Those who believe that image in the window resembles the Virgin Mary must be at least 2000 years old.

    There were no camera's and there exists no permanent record of any kind relating to the image of Mary the Virgin.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Without commenting on the nature of the image itself, let me point out that God knows what our image of the Blessed Virgin is. And that's true even if you disbelieve all the Marian apparitions and the descriptions given of Mary's appearance in them -- the image is part of Western culture. So if God wanted to send an apparition that we would recognize, He would of course send it it a form that we would recognize based on our expectations.
     
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    There are some really old people who live in Boston. Those who believe that image in the window resembles the Virgin Mary must be at least 2000 years old.

    There were no camera's and there exists no permanent record of any kind relating to the image of Mary the Virgin.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Without commenting on the nature of the image itself, let me point out that God knows what our image of the Blessed Virgin is. And that's true even if you disbelieve all the Marian apparitions and the descriptions given of Mary's appearance in them -- the image is part of Western culture. So if God wanted to send an apparition that we would recognize, He would of course send it it a form that we would recognize based on our expectations.
    </font>[/QUOTE]So does the Father of Lies, know that, and he also is able to perform wonders and bring forth images that deceive mankind!
     
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    I have a another thought on this idea.

    Why hasn't God sent images of his Only Begotten Son, the one who atoned for the sins of the world?

    What did Mary teach mankind that would cause them to believe there is a God and he loves us? Why aren't the words of Mary recorded in the same manner that the words of Jesus are recorded? Why didn't Mary die on the Cross for our sins?

    Why would Satan provide "images of the virgin" if not to deceive the sheep?

    When God wanted to communicate with sinful man, he did not send images, he sent prophets and Apostles!

    These "images" of "the blessed virgin" are not a miracle from God, but a deception from Satan!
     
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    Wow, I'll admit I didn't see that one coming! :eek:

    So much for "all generations will call me blessed" !!!
     
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    Wow, I'll admit I didn't see that one coming! :eek:

    So much for "all generations will call me blessed" !!!
    </font>[/QUOTE]Declaring an image to be a deception does not override the truth that Mary the Mother of Jesus was truly blest by God when He chose Her for the task for which she willingly agreed and admirably performed.

    However, this image thing is not connected in any manner whatever with the events for which Mary is called blessed.

    Mary remains the Blessed Virgin, and shall called blessed for all time, but the image on the glass is not Mary, and may not be a likeness in the least!

    In fact, having been to the middle east several times, I can tell you that image looks like 55 million middle east women, not all of whom are named Mary.

    [ July 02, 2003, 09:49 PM: Message edited by: Yelsew ]
     
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    Here's another thought? WHY BOSTON?
     
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    Since when does anyone know what she looked like anyhow!

    It's a picture of ME holding MY baby!

    Sheesh
     
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    I knew it! It is a wonderful portrait of you.
     
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    Moisture or Miracle? Why can't it be both? Last time I checked, miracles are works of wonder, not works of magic.

    Jesus is the great physician, not the great magician.
     
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    Yes, you are quite right, I was having a "clever" moment! "Random Deposits or Miracle" just doesn't flow as nicely!
     
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    My vote would be "moisture." It is kind of neat, though.

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    My guess would be someone with too much time on their hands, or a good computer graphics program.
     
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    No, the "images" are real, not computer-generated -- people have been gathering for the past two weeks to look at them, so many that they're now covering the window with a tarp except between 5:30 and 8:30 PM. Do a search on something like "Milton hospital window" and you'll find more details.

    One detail is that the window with the "image" of the Blessed Virgin is bricked up from the inside (it's some kind of an eye-exam room) so there's no access to the window from inside the hospital.

    As for me, I'm naturally skeptical, but it sure is fascinating!
     
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    You know what. It don't mean a hill of beans to me. You know why? Because I need to be working on overcoming sin, loving God more, being more in the Scriptures, treating my fellow man like Jesus would, and a host of other things that relate to the real living of the Christian life right here in Realsville, Planet Earth, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe, Mind of God.

    Not looking at an image which cannot do these things for me. My time is better spent in prayer than standing around a window gawking.

    Cordially in Christ, with profound respect to the Blessed Virgin, my Mother in the Faith,

    Brother Ed
     
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    I think much of the point is being missed here. There are no claims by the church of anything miraculous. Faithful people can look at whatever they choose to look at and see an image of the Blessed Mother holding the baby Jesus. One thing we are probably all in agreement on is God works through nature. There is obviously a scientific reason for the image (condensation) the church would automatically rule this out as a bona fide miracle. The point is, to answer the question as to, why would God work through nature to create an image that the faithful may or may not see as His Mother and the baby Jesus?

    To me the answer could be: as a reminder to those who have been duped by the world into beleiving that abortion is acceptable. Here in the example of the Mother of God we have an unwed mother who risked being stoned to death for what could have been viewed as adultery, brave enough to bear a child into pure poverty, yet was still willing to trust in her Lord. Quite an example for those contemplating abortion for whatever reason.
    I say it could potentially be a more profound and better deterent (than to say the people who block the clinics;) to have the image of the Blessed Virgin right on the building that potentially will be slaughtering your baby.
     
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    Just don't forget the who and what of Satan, the Father of Lies who is able to deceive the multitudes.
     
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    Also important to remember that God creates, the devil CAN NOT create. And I'd say that minipulating condensation crystals in such a pattern is creating. Not to mention the actual creation of the moisture.
     

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