Moms' Genetics may Produce Gay Sons

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  1. DavidsonBap

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    There's also evidence that the odds of a male being homosexual increase with the number of older brothers (but not sisters). One theory is that as a woman has more sons, she produces more anti-male antibodies that in some way damage the fetus. Another is that something about the environment of being a boy with multiple older brothers predisposes boys to homosexuality.

    Interestingly, the maternal genetic oddity mentioned is the selective inactivation of one particular X chromosome. This probably is related to genetic imprinting, which I started a thread about recently in the hidden Science forum. (If anyone is interested in the link, please let me know.) I will have to look up the original paper and see what they say.
     
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    That article said that one quarter of the women who had multiple gay sons had this odd inactivation of the same X. WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER THREE QUARTERS? I fail to see what that proves. Did they also check what sort of mothers these women were with multiple gay sons? There's more evidence having to do with, to be polite, "mothering style" than this nonsense about X genes.
     
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    Its possible for a generalized symptom such as homosexuality to have more than one cause, sometimes genetic, sometimes environmental, sometimes both . . . let the facts fall where they fall.
     
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    Even if that presumption is demonstrated to be true, I fail to see how it changes the issue. For example, there are some people who are genetically predisposed to alcoholoism and obesity. But drunkenness and gluttony/sloth are still sins. If ot does turn out that there's a genetic predisposition towards same-gender sexual attration, the act of same gender copulation is still a sin.

    Now, that said, should we berate homosexuals, alcoholics, or the obese? Should we make assumptions about their salvation? No to both questions.
     
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    OK...so what are you gonna do when it is "proven" that pedophiles "can't help it...they were born that way?" That slippery slope has a bad crash at the bottom of the hill...

    pretty soon all sexual deviances will be acceptable, because they "can't be helped."
     
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    No doubt there is some recessive transvestite gene somewhere. Oh, puleeese....
     
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    Again, LE, even if that presumption is demonstrated to be true, I fail to see how it changes the issue of the sin. As noted earlier, there are some people who are genetically predisposed to alcoholoism and obesity. But drunkenness and gluttony/sloth are still sins. If it does turn out that there's a genetic predisposition towards transvestitism (which I highly doubt), the act of changing the appearance of one's gender would still be a sin, imo.
     
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    God is not going to genetically place in man the desire to sin. Sin was the result of one man's disobedience.

    Man sin's when he is drawn away by lust and enticed. Not genetic at all.
     
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    The genetic impact could be a result of the Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden.
     
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    There us no gay gene. This is just mere stupidity.

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    And some people used to believe that the earth was flat until that idea was proven wrong.
     
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    Again, what if it turns out that there is a gay gene, or, in the least, a physiological disposition towards same gender attraction? A physiological predisposition to alcoholism and obesity does not absolve a person of the sins of drunkenness and gluttony/sloth. Likewise, a physiological predisposition towards same-gender sexual attraction does not absolve one of the sin of same-gender copulation.

    I don't see why we need to argue over whether there's a gay gene or not. It doesn't change the bottom line, as I stated in the previous paragraph.
     
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    I would say this comment was right, but the last part I would leave off. The only reason people are gay/homosexual is massive hatred toward the same sex ... usually the parent. If you called your kid stupid as he ran off to be a homosexual then no wonder the kid would turn up homo.
     
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    God is not going to genetically place in man the desire to sin. Sin was the result of one man's disobedience.

    Absolutely dead on. [​IMG]
     
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    While this is a cute idea, there is nothing in scripture to back it up.

    Gluttony is clearly a sin in scripture. Genetically there are clear strong predispositions towards gluttony in some families.


    CDC : Obesity and Genetics: What We Know, What We Don’t Know and What It Means

    As Johnv continues to correctly state to unhearing ears, a genetic predisposition towards an action does not make an action unsinful.
     
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    Gold Dragon, I don't see anything in there more than speculation ("Individuals with a family history of obesity may be predisposed to gain weight") and a lot of unanswered questions ("Why are biological relatives more similar in body weight? What genes are associated with this observation? Are the same genetic associations seen in every family? How do these genes affect energy metabolism and regulation?")

    Are you saying that the Lord would deliberately set us up for failure? Instead of looking at genetic scapegoats, we should be looking at our own evil hearts; to do otherwise is simply looking for excuses to sin.

    "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
    But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
    Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." (James 1:13-15)

    "For all that is in the world, the lush of the flesh, and the lust of the eys, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." (1 John 2:16)
     
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    We all believe we have a sin nature from birth. We all have predispositions for sin. For some they may be genetic predispositions for gluttony. For others it may be genetic predispositions towards homosexuality. For others, their predisposition towards sin may have nothing to do with genetics.

    I'm definitely not looking for a genetic scapegoat because Christ is the scapegoat. A genetic predisposition does not excuse sin.
     
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    Don't know if we should blame God, but we all have a genetic desire to sin. Some of us have different sins, but we are all sinners.

    I wonder if God is amused or annoyed by those who argue that their sins are better than their neighbors.
     
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    Annoyed. It is a way to boost up ourselvs by puting down others. In other words it is a way to denie the severity of our sins by pointing out how much worse we think others sins are.

    That said it does not matter why people are gay. Acting on their desires is as much a sin as if I act on my desire to be with every woman I see wearing short shorts.
     

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