Monergism vs. Synergism: What is Really at Stake?

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What's at stake???

Well, if you live in a nation run by Calvin or his cohorts--YOU ARE! You'll be burnt at the stake if you dare disagree with those who pretend to teach the "doctrines of grace", which is nothingmore than doctrines that promote in their own lives the same tyranical, intolerant and hatefull attitudes and actions they pretend God has, becasue He is "sovereign". He's a Soverign God, not a sovereign devil boys and girls, but Calvinists know not what they say.

 

I think i asked this in another thread- but could you show proof where our progenitors- the Baptists and Puritans of yore (who were firm believers in thd doctrines today known as 'Calvinism')- burned men at the stake? That is something I think we'd all like to see Han. You are able to back up your claims with evidence are you not?

God bless.

Daniel Allen
www.spurgeon.us

 

Monergist;

The last statement in this paragraph isn't true. It is the Calvinist and monergist that think this. Not the ones you are talking about. You think because a man grabs hold of a life line is helping to save himself. When the one at the other end of that life line didn't have to cast out the line in the first place. Sorry by any standard of measuements the savior has done all that is necessary to save the man's life. I noticed you have no scripture to support your idea of Salvation at all with out your man made ideas, explanations and the changing of the meanings of words to suit your heresy.
Whetstone says;

If he can't I can. We all know you can't back up your own words. Still haven't come up with those notes yet huh!
In The Light Of Christ;
Mike

 

i'm not sure i follow.

 

heh heh.

 

God takes the initiative in drawing a person to Himself and until that happens the person wil have no desire to be saved but in the final analysis the person will either accept Christ as Saviour or turn away.

Kind regards to all.

Bob

 

Hi Monergist;
Would you like to burn me at a stake? Seems Calvinist have for centuries accused others falsely so they could do just that. Remember the Puritains in Salem Mass.
In The Light Of Christ;
Mike

 

Hi Mike,

1. Are you saying that the witches in Salem were Arminian witches?

2. What does this have to do with monergism, or with the OP?

 

Yeah I remember them. Seems that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Calvinism.

See for yourself

 

Whatever;

Question 1;
Most of those who were burned at the stake were accused falsely by Puritains who wanted blood for
there own Lust.
Question2;
Monergism and Calvinism are the same as far as I'm concerned they both believe in the same nonsense.
In The Light Of Christ;
Mike

 

As always, please keep the discussion on theology. This is not the forum to discuss history. Please discuss that in teh appropriate place. Usually I edit those references but will not do so here.

Some of you are repeat offenders in this area. Please reserve this forum for discussions of theology.

 

Rom.12:1-3 comes to mind. To affirm monergism is to deny the Word of God. Every man is given enough light to believe the truth...therefore, according to Rom.1 he or she is without excuse. YOU choose where you will put your faith, and based on that choice, a God who transcends space and time, and has always been/will always be "in the moment," whenever that moment occurred, chooses, or elects you because of your FREE WILL choice of putting your faith in the finished work of Calvary. It is really quite simple (EPH 1), just stop putting God in a box. HE ordained and crowned human free will in order to have WILLING fellowship. It is only logical. See Gen. 1:26...we are made in His image...and I want my wife to love me of her own FREE WILL. There is no gratification in compelling or programing...because we are made like unto Him!

 

Au contrair Jarhead. Nowhere in Scripture are we told that general revelation is sufficient to lead to salvation. On the contrary we see man because of his depravity glorify himself, the creation, more than the creator. Salvation never comes from general revelation, thats why the prolamation of the Gospel is nesscessary for God has ordained that by His Word comes the revelation of truth regarding salvation.

I am thankful that I didn't choose God, because in and of myself I never would have, but He out of His free and sovereing grace chose me. My salvation does not rest in the petty choice of fallible man but in the powerful grace of God alone.

 

I did not know we were discussing general and special. My ref. to Rom 1 was simply to put man beyond excuse. However, now that you mention it, Rom.1:20 states that what you need to know about God is provided without scripture. I.E: HIS ETERNAL POWER (the creator), and GODHEAD (judge and lawmaker which you are responsible to).

Which BIBLE DID ENOCH READ?
Which BIBLE did Abraham read?
Which Bible did Noah read?
Job? ad infinitum

Abraham only knew two things about God: 1. That he could quicken the dead, and 2. That he could call those things which are not as though they were (even then Calvinism was illogical. see Is. 46:9-10).

Hmmmm...but Abraham's belief...his FAITH was counted unto him for righteousness. He was saved JUST LIKE ME!

 

Rm 1 says nothing about general revalation being sufficeint for salvation. Yes it shows His eternal power and Godhead, but that is not suffcient for salvation, not to mention, Rm 1 shows what man did even though this knowledge was made available to him. He ignored it and continued in wickedness because of the blindness of sin.

Furthmore we are told that faith comes by the hearing of God's Word, not general revelation. Enoch, Abraham and Noah were OT saints, and they prove my point that salvation does not come from general revelation, but rather specific that God in His sovereingy reveals.

God came to each of these men personally our of the pleasure of His will. Why did God choose Abraham? Why did God bless Enoch? Why did God save Noah? Simply because God extended His grace to them.

Also you have a problem with the fact that if general revelation is sufficient for salvation, then those who never hear the Word have some ability to be saved, which we know Scripture says is not the case.

 

It was said:

I am thankful that I didn't choose God,

Huh? Is that supposed to be some kind of humility? These statements are tautalogies--they mean nothing, they simply SOUND LIKE something has been said. I am grateful God offered His Son for me, and then called me to Him, as He does ALL MEN. The gospel is not some lucky lottery in the sky for the lucky few.