Moral Monsters and the Shame of Baylor University

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  1. Helen

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    This happened this past December 12.

    A 27-year-old woman, dying of cancer, is being kept alive on a ventilator in the Regional Medical Center of Baylor University at Plano, Texas. The young woman has no health insurance. The hospital authorities decide they will no longer accept the burden of the cost of care, and they inform the young woman's relatives that unless they find another facility to accept the patient, they will unplug the ventilator in ten days. The young woman is fully conscious and she says she does not want to die yet. The relatives are unable to arrange for care in another medical facility, and the hospital staff unplugs the ventilator, which quickly kills the woman.

    http://scienceweek.com/editorials.htm#060119
     
  2. Scarlett O.

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    How vulgar and how sad.

    But Helen, what do we do other than claim it as abhorent? What do we do?

    I would like to hear what you have to say, being as I have always considered your opinions worthwhile.

    Peace-
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  3. Helen

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    Scarlett, I have no idea. My heart is breaking. If we cannot count on Christian charity from a Christian hospital, where are we to turn?

    We can write letters of protest. We can refuse to donate to the school and refuse to send our children there, but I doubt it would really make a difference.

    I don't know...I just don't know. Thank you for your compliment but all I can do is look up and have this great big question mark to offer our Lord. I pray for the family. I pray the hearts of the hospital administrators and staff be softened and turn toward Christ.

    But Christ Himself warned us we cannot worship both Him and money...

    I think of my son, Chris, and the fact that a psychiatrist that another son was seeing (court's order) asked me in all sincerity if we had ever considered just having Chris put to sleep. I blew up, but nevertheless, the warning had been given. This is where the medical establishment is now. Forget 'do no harm.' Forget the sanctity of life. Forget God.

    I truly am at the point where I am begging, "Come soon, Lord!"
     
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    Helen,

    The Doctor who asked that question should be reported the licensing body in your state. I can't see any way that asking you that question would not be considered some sort of violation.

    Bill
     
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    I suppose that even if it made no difference, at least we would be letting our voices be heard.

    I think that it is the very least that Christians can and should do in the face of immorality such as this, which should have never happened.
     
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    It's murder. Truly the love of mammon is the root of all evil. It's a disgrace and sadly it doesn't surprise me that this comes from Baylor. Liberalism is a dangerous mental disorder and will destroy every moral fiber in each organization it touches. That is very much prevelant on this board.
     
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    I see the happiness that Chris displays and that you recognize, and that hypocritical Dr. doesn't. That was very apparent a couple weeks ago in Church. He was probably part of the new brand of physicians that espouse, "allow no discomfort" or to save you discomfort. Sick

    I too often (very often) pray "Come soon Lord"
     
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    Perhaps Christians and other concerned citizens could set up a fund to pay for indigent health care to handle cases such as this.

    As the old saying goes: It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.
     
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    This is an awful story; however it is more a love for money, than that of "liberalism". Why do you think a Christian hospital didn't step up and care for the girl? This is why the Christian right seems to be so hypocritical to the world. We fought tooth and nail for Terri Schaivo's life, but when the "burden of cost" is too great those who could help, look the other way. How sad. How very, very sad.
     
  10. Helen

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    Bill, that happened many years ago and it was in front of the head of the institution where my son was incarcerated at the time. No one seemed surprised but me. Except my son who told me later, "Wow! you really let him have it, Mom!" If nothing else, my other son saw me standing up for life and sanity and morality. But I was a single parent at the time and exhausted almost always from just coping day to day. It never occurred to me that something like that should be reported.

    Hillclimber, yeah, Chris does love music, doesn't he? He doesn't stop singing when we do, though, and in church that can cause a problem. The people around us are so lovely about his clapping along, though...
    He may not be able to talk and his IQ may be under 20 and he may be in diapers forever (he is 21 years old now), but he sure does love hugs and music and swinging and rocking and EATING! He is a real person inside there and, just like a real person he can sometimes drive us nuts! (by the way, we are home today because Barry is quite sick -- with aching muscles and rapid onset, I'm scared it may be flu...)

    KenH -- I think if we had known about this we might have been able to raise enough money rather quickly. How can we find out about these cases? Is there the possibility of setting up some kind of clearing house of information? How would that be done?
     
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    Helen,

    Perhaps a fund can be set up so that the money is already in place and ready to be used at a moment's notice.

    As many Christian ministries and political groups as there are that raise money, I am rather surprised that something such as this has not been set up after the Terri Schiavo case.
     
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    Setting up an initial fund would not, I don't think, be wise. Who would administer it? The temptation for stealing the money would be tremendous. Who would the administrator be accountable to?

    I am thinking that an information clearing house would be best, and then relevant information sent to churches in the area of the need, a bank account set up for that particular purpose, and donations solicited for that individual case each time. If different churches wanted to set aside a certain amount for emergency funds, that would be great, as that would be accounted for to the people.

    I know there are databases for hospitals and about hospitals. That would help us get started with contacting them to contact the information clearing house about pending cases of disconnect due to money problems. I'm thinking it could work...
     
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    For some reason I doubt the truthfulness, or at least a few "facts", of this case.

    I don't see how a conscious person could be taken off their respirator and killed. The person being conscious is the key here.

    If it is accurate, then a suit should be filed with the D.A. in Dallas.
     
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    This is the inevitable and ligical result of the Roe V Wade decision. I am unable to find the exact quote now but C. Everette Koop [former Sorgeon General] said after Roe v Wade that killing the unborn would do irreparable harm to the nation, or words to that effect.
     
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    If it is accurate, then a suit should be filed with the D.A. in Dallas.

    It would not have mattered if they did. Texas law allows doctors to discontinue life sustaining treatment 10 days after providing a formal notice of why said treatment is inappropriate. See the Texas Health and Safety Code Chapter 166 Section 166.046, Subsection (e), Bush signed it into law, as the Advance Directives Act, in 1999. It seems as if Baylor followed the guidelines of the law, and provided assistence in finding another facility to care for her.
     
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    I just read the NYTimes article. IT TOOK HER SIXTEEN MINUTES TO DIE! She was conscious and struggling.

    Her brother had to watch. She only wanted to live until her mother could get there.

    They are monsters in that hospital. Baptists or not, they are monsters.

    Even condemned and executed murderers are not permitted to go through what this innocent young lady had to endure. The Texas law states that when it is MEDICALLY unfeasible, not when it is ECONOMICALLY difficult!

    I feel sick to my stomach.
     
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    I agree, Helen. The whole idea is sickening. I know of many churches that would have helped out, had they only known. I agree with yours and KenH's ideas. If not a fund, a database of sorts would be useful for situations such as these.
     
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    I thought Bush did a pretty creditiable job as Governor of Texas, with a few terrible decisions.

    Signing this law was one of them. Unfortunately, a poor immigrant wasn't the political opportunity Terry Schavio presented.
     
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    Baylor is not part of the Christian right and not been for a while. They are more moderate to liberal.

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