Moral Values

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    20/20 hindsight now is shaking the liberal media as they realized that the war and economy were SECOND to "Moral Values".

    Was listening to Dan Blather (I needed my blood pressure elevated) and he asked what these were.

    He said for some, morality was the "ten commandments, prayer in school, anti-abortion, pro-family". This is the morality of the "right".

    He said that OTHERS voted on THEIR morality, which was "anti-war, in favor of rights for everyone including gays, no capital punishment, freedom from religion". This is the morality of the "left".

    But BOTH SIDES see real "moral values" differently. When people talk about "moral issues", which side do YOU immediately think of?
     
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    I immediatly think of Christian values, such as was listed as being the morality of the "right".
    However, Rather blathered rather thoughtfully. The left lives by a different set of morals. It becomes more distinct the further you get apart.
    Eventually, morality based on the common ideas of the people, which are rapidly changing, rather than religion will rule this nation completely.
    Gina
     
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    Those who get thier morals from the Bible are right.
    Values clarification and the "educated elite" groups are left .
    When Jesus comes I want to be right I don't want to be left.
     
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    EXCELLENT article and worth every minute reading. Thanks for the link.

    Where does Australia stand in these matters? We in the US think of Australia as about 25 years behind on trends and issues - not altogether a bad situation!
     
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    I just read an article in the India Times which says, the "porn" map in America - the heaviest areas that are into "porn" (meaning most dollars spent for pornography) ended up being the same (blue) areas that voted for Gore in 2000 and this last election resembles that same map! Thought about it, and conclude they are onto something!
     
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    Yeah, porn is worse in the big cities.
     
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    Sadly life is cheap. :(
     
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    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/914229.cms
     
  11. Pete

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    Plain Old Bill, amen amen amen!


    Dr Bob, sometimes I wish we were as separate from the U.S. as The Pond makes us appear.

    We have the same problem down here of people getting their "ethics/morality" from anywhere but the Bible, and it shows..."In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit." Swap "Israel" for "Australia" and it would not be far off.

    The following is from an opinion piece in one of the bigger Sydney newspapers the other day:

    Just found some numbers on the web, the estimate is a quarter of pregnancies in Australia ends in abortion, with three-quarters of those paid for by the government through Medicare...and people wonder why I try not to pay tax...

    Our capital city (Canberra) is also the nation's capital for pornography.

    I think our recent Church anniversary painted clearest picture of where Australian society is headed though. The Church is 77 years old. In it's early days it had Sunday school children in the hundreds, now we have 7 - when they are all there :(
     
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    I think of Biblical values!

    Rufus
     
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    "Both" is a misnomer. There is only one "side". Morality isn't in the eye of the beholder. It is not up to us to "decide" what morality is. It is up to us to "discover" what God's morality is. Everything else is immorality. I really don't think of "my" side vs. "their" side. It is just God's side and nearly 7 billion "other" sides.
     
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    This quote was from an article Pete has in his post:

    "We have lived with a pro-choice approach to abortion for years, without any apparent damage to individuals or society."

    He should talk to some of the women I know. Their lives have been damaged since they got their abortions. Many have, or had, substance abuse problems from the guilt that they carry to this day!
     
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    There is another moral view that has not yet been referred to: the view that poverty and social exclusion are as much important moral issues as abortion and gay rights. I suppose this is the view of the traditional left, which is more Scriptural, rather than the liberal 'New Left', which most definitely is not. What puzzles me is how Christians who are concerned about abortion and gay rights are apparently not concerned about poverty and related issues...

    Yours in Christ

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    Very astute, Matt. One Democrat (here in the US the election was won by the "moral value" conservatives) here said that their party must use the next four years to RE-TEACH Americans what moral values are, including true liberalism of helping the poor, environment, justice and equity, etc.

    Those ARE biblical. Of course, as the Dem's define them now, they are NOT biblical, but methinks those definitions will change. They cannot afford to lose the upper midwest (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa) where only a few votes separated. If those states would have had a pro-choice/pro-life issue on the ballot, they would have all gone for Bush.
     
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    I hear people talking about poverty here in the US and it amazes me. 90 something percent of folks below the poverty line in the US have color TVs. About half own vehicles.

    I grew up in "poverty" in the US. My mom was a heroin addict who was on welfare and food stamps. I lived in areas of "poverty" and I can't recall a single person who couldn't of improved their situation... if they wanted to. Many sat around complaining, and waiting for that welfare check to come in.

    Before moving with my mother, I lived with my great-grandparents. They were poor, but never accepted any government handouts. My great-grandfather worked in an orange orchard until he died after having a heart attack on the tractor. We lived in an old place with a wood stove for heat, and very little frills. The thing was, neither of them were concerned with earthly things and until I moved with my mother (who always complained about not having) I had no idea that I was poor.

    The whole poverty thing here in the US is a joke. I'd expect poor people to be skinny, not obese. Poverty here is about keeping people down so they remain under control and voting for your party.
     
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    AMEN!
    In His service;
    Jim
     
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    Oroville Tim, excellent points!!!!!
     
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    They should fix the survey question to say "Traditional Judeo-Christian Moral Values." It would be much harder to twist that way.
     

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