More fairness to KJVO's

Dr. Bob.
If you would like my take on this, read the other thread by this same name. I stated it quite clearly. And got a bit of agreement with it.
In His service
Jim

 

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1. Are their errors in the AV? Michelle said NO.
2. Are these advanced revelations, where the 1611 Anglican translators corrected/perfected the Word? Michelle has not come by to answer it, yet.
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These have all been answered previously with not only scripture, but links I provided about it also. Just because you choose to disagree, doesn't negate the truth. You also have taken liberty to snip the proofs that I have provided to show it, because I think you could clearly see it, and didn't want it to be shown. I have finished this never ending circular discussion with you all.


The only incivility that I have witnessed on these threads, are coming from those who refuse to see or admitt the truth in this issue. I have not called anyone personal names, nor made any personal references to people here, yet you all continue name calling me and labeling me as a heretic, part of a cult, causing division, etc. Please look in the mirror first.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Now prove that statement to be true.
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Prove it's not. You may say the burden is on me. No, rather the burden is on you, as the words of God himself has said he would provide us his words of truth. Every one of them. The burden is upon you, because you have decided to question God and his truth. It is not me you are asking to prove, but in reality God, to which he has, but you refuse to see the answer. I will now leave it in the hands of God, as I have done all I can to help you see it.


So long and God bless you all.


love in Jesus Christ our lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

michelle said "These have all been answered previously with not only scripture"

I'm amazed how often that's said, when I've never actually seen the answers themselves.

michelle said "I have finished this never ending circular discussion with you all."

I'm amazed how often that's said, when I've never actually seen you end the discussion.

 

Whoa. I wasn't here to see it...Did she stomp her foot as she left? Or was that just a verbal temper tantrum?

Postig generic verses, taken out of context, and that have nothing to do with the subject at hand is not proof of anything regarding the KJV. Those same verses could be applied to any other translation know to man...past, present, or future.

Nor is posting links to sites of bible worshipers proof of anything more that poor taste and lack of discernment.

Proof, Michelle. Not spin, not personal choice, not "burning in the bosom". Proof, from the scriptures, that show you allegations to be actual fact.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Sorry, Michelle. You are the one claiming distinctiveness, not us. The ball is in your court as far as proof goes.

That is, if you actually have any...

In Christ,
Trotter

 

More KJVO rhetoric.

Try using your own words, Michelle.

God never promised anything concerning a certain archaic translation from the 17th century...now matter how big a fit you pitch.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

If we only understood, then we would understand...

 

No we are not questioning God, but you.

 

Translation: I have the truth. You don't. If you don't agree with me you are refusing to see or admit the truth.

I guess it's not quite name-calling.

 

You made the statement not me, so the proof is upon upon you.

 

Michelle:These have all been answered previously with not only scripture, but links I provided about it also.

NONE of the Scripture you posted points to any one version.


Just because you choose to disagree, doesn't negate the truth.

And just because you say something's true doesn't make it true. It's not as if you told us your birthday. Without access to your birth certificate, and knowing your face, we'd hafta assume you gave us the correct date. But what you'be given us is easily checkable by public record.


You also have taken liberty to snip the proofs that I have provided to show it, because I think you could clearly see it, and didn't want it to be shown.

As I said yesterday, there's no purpose in repeating Scripture you've posted. We all have Bibles and access to many versions in many languages through these PCs. And you haven't shown us one VERSION-SPECIFIC scripture...all you've done is post "preservation" Scriptures which can be applied to all valid versions in all languages...as well as follow the KJVO "party line" by quoting Psalm 12:7 among them.


I have finished this never ending circular discussion with you all.

Actually, you can't take the heat, so you're looking for the kitchen door. Like many a KJVO, you say you've posted proofs, but if you have they must be in white pixels on a white background. Funny, NNE ELSE has seen your "proofs" beside your weak attempts to read things into certain Scriptures which aren't there. If you bail out, YOU LOSE!

AND...You have not answered these questions that i said won't go away until answered. First:

"You say you're not KJVO. In that case, what other specific version(s) do you recommend?" Failure to answer proves you weren't truthful in your statement.

THEN:

"You called me a 'versionolator'. please post any statement of mine from any message board where I made such a statement."

Failure to either provide the requested proof(s) or to admit you were wrong, makes you into a liar. there's no more gentle word to use when you make a statement about a soecific person but cannot back it up, or to admit you erred.

I suggest you do a lotta praying and meditating upon the Scriptures to get your act together, M'am.

 

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Sorry, Michelle. You are the one claiming distinctiveness, not us. The ball is in your court as far as proof goes.

That is, if you actually have any...
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Actually it has been shown to you with evidence how the mv's are against the scriptures themselves, and also show you the proof that the scriptures are distinctive. It is you all who refuse to see this truth. How do the mv's hold up to the scriptural truths about themselves? Does not God say not to add to, nor take away from his words? Do you deny this? If God has said this, and you can clearly see that this has been done in the mv's, how then can you say they have NOT altered the word of God? You do not apply scriptural truths to this issue. It is you and others who are taking the scriptures out of context or ignore these scriptural truths, and do not apply them to this issue to try to justify those things that are blatantly obvious against scriptural truth. Yet you say those same verses can and do apply to the mv's. Oh, they most certainly do, but you REFUSE TO apply them to them. If you did, you would see how they have failed to live up to the scriptural truth. You have judged this issue based upon your faulty human reasoning and logic INSTEAD of scriptural mandates about the words of the Lord themselves. Then you have the audacity to say we who show you this are believing in a false doctrine, heretics, bible idolaters, etc. It is rather you all who have made your own minds and reasoning the idol, rather than the word of God to which is our authority in ALL MATTERS of faith and practice, INCLUDING this very important one. It is your fault for not applying scriptural truths to this issue. You have yet to show me any scriptures to where your belief comes from. You say these same scriptures can be used for the mv's. Yet, you show your confusion in this, by ignoring and failing to apply these truths to them. It sure is easy to say this Trotter, but what matters is the application of them. When you apply these truths to the mv's they are found to be in error, and against the truth.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Choose one of these verses michelle and I will apply it.

HankD

 

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You made the statement not me, so the proof is upon upon you.
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The proof is not upon me, as I believe God and his promises concerning his words. You are the one's claiming that we cannot, nor do not have God's words of truth word for word. I have shown you we do. You have yet, to show, nor prove we do not. You show forth your lack of faith in what God has said about his very words, and tell me to prove to you? I cannot prove faith to you. You must have faith, in order to see it. If you do not believe God has provided you, what He said he would, this is not something that can ever be proven to you, until you have faith in what God has said. Instead, you all claim that God never said this, when He clearly has. You claim I and others take this absolute truth out of context, when not only the proof is staring you right in the face, but that God has said so throughout the whole counsel of God. You need to prove we do not, nor cannnot, and with THE SCRIPTURES.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle, this is not true. You have not proven any doctrine or fundamentals of the faith that are taken and destroyed by MV's. Many have showed you time and time again that the KJV is not perfect by any means, and has indeed added and subtracted or changed the original wording of the autographs, etc. There will never be a "word for word" translation, as many words being translated will take several more words to explain the original word in the first place. Also, there have been many who have shown you that the choices of words used in the KJV are not the same as the underlying texts. YOU have REFUSED to acknowledge that, though it's been pointed out time and time again. This is error on your part, and against the principles of honesty and truth.

 

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Choose one of these verses michelle and I will apply it.
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Take them all Hank, and apply them to all - you know what they are, as they have been continually given. Then what is it you find? You know Hank, you are just outright denying or compromising the truth. You are a pleaser of men, more than a pleaser of God. You either find the mv's have added to or taken away from the words of God, or you find the KJB has. Then you must obey the truth that has been revealed. Instead, you condone both. Either the scriptures in the KJB are correct and the mv's have altered them, or the mv's are correct, and the KJB has altered them. What saith the scriptures Hank? Where is your belief coming from in the scriptures? Do you believe them all? Or only part of them.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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Michelle, this is not true. You have not proven any doctrine or fundamentals of the faith that are taken and destroyed by MV's.
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We are not talking about doctrines and fundamentals. We are talking about the very words of God, to where the fundamentals and doctrines come from. As the Lord has repeated three times in his very own words, man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. He has spoken them and provided them, and he will also preserve them. Just as God has said. Please take a long hard look at Genesis 3 to see what can happen to God's word. God said it, and God's words were changed/altered, added to and taken away from, the very words he spoke. This ended up affecting the doctrine or fundamental from them. It sowed doubt, as God's word was added to, taken away from, and/or twisted.


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Many have showed you time and time again that the KJV is not perfect by any means, and has indeed added and subtracted or changed the original wording of the autographs, etc.
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This has never been shown, nor will it ever be, as they are the words of God in our English language. Many try to show something that is not there, based upon not only thier ignorance in our own language, but these origional languages themselves. Many today have become wise in their own eyes, and avoid the truth. We either have God's inerrant and infallible word of God in our language, or we do not. If we do not, then we are all in big trouble and have basically called God a liar.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

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There will never be a "word for word" translation,
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You really do not understand languages do you? Nor do you understand God and his providence concerning languages do you? You do not understand the concept that God's words in our language mirror the origional words of God in the origional languages. You just cannot, nor will you grasp this concept and truth. Why? Does not God have the ability to do this? Has not God made this evident? Oh, He most certainly has, but you all prefer to confuse this, due to your lack of faith in what God has said and promised concerning his words, and for those who are his. You would rather sow doubt, to condone those things that have been made manifest they have altered the words of God in our language. I have no respect for people who know this, recognize this, yet remain quiet about it. One day we WILL all have to account for it. You better be sure you are standing and defending the truth, and not causing others to stumble.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle