Most deserving player not in HOF

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  1. TomVols

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    I ask this question every year or so to some friends, so I'll post in here:

    In your mind, who is the most deserving player who is NOT in Baseball's Hall of Fame? Who would you induct tomorrow if you had the power to do so? Just ONE. We'll get others later, but right now I want your absolute #1 pick. Let's exclude Peter Edward Rose for two reasons. (1) He seems to be the obvious modern choice in the media and also among fans from every league and team, and (2) He's ineligible.

    Who would you pick?
     
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    Ahh, the annual Hall of Fame thread. Good times.


    Bert Blyleven is my pick.

    22 seasons in the majors
    5th all-time in strikeouts
    Career ERA of 3.31
    Career ERA+* of 118 (100 is average)
    Career WHIP of 1.19
    9 seasons of 200+ K


    For a point of reference, consider Nolan Ryan.

    27 seasons in the majors
    1st all-time in strikeouts
    Career ERA of 3.19
    Career ERA+ of 111
    Career WHIP of 1.24
    15 seasons of 200+ K

    And to show how great Ryan was, he had 6 seasons of 300+ Ks.

    *Park adjusted ERA

    Why isn't Blyleven in the Hall? I have no idea.
     
  3. Andy T.

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    Blyleven is a good choice. I would go with him or Santo. Next in line would be Trammell, Whitaker, Morris, Freehan, Lolich and Darrell Evans. ;)
     
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    Eric Davis - Nuff Said
     
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    Eric Davis doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.
     
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    No way on God's green earth - and I'm as big of a Reds fan there is - Does Eric Davis get in the HOF ahead of some of the names on here (if ever).

    CCROB - did you have my back when I proposed Blyleven and took heat for it?

    Andy - you keep bringing up Detroit Tigers for the HOF. You know better :laugh:

    Santo is at the top of my short list for most deserving.

    Okay, who's next?
     
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    Mark McGwire (583 HR, 1414 RBI, .588 SLG, .993 Fldg.) and Bert Blyleven (287-250 - 692 games, 4970 IP, 3701 K) probably lead the pack, without thinking about this in great detail this PM. Although a good case could be made for some others, as well. How can anyone possibly justify the inclusion of a starting pitcher with a record of 160-97, and leave out Blyleven, at the same time? (Incidentally, that record belongs to Addie Joss, who does definitley belong, and IMO, had illness not cut short his life at the age of 31, would have been known as the greatest starting pitcher of all time, hands down - His ERA was 1.89, for example, as it was. Compare that to a couple of pretty fair hurlers named Seaver and Gibson who were almost exactly one RPG higher.)

    Blyleven (at almost 700 G, 5000 IP, 3700 K) almost makes "Iron Man" McGinnity (465 G, 3441 IP, 1068 K) look like a 'middle reliever' by comparison.

    Two others who definitely deserve to be there, are the late individuals, John 'Buck' O'Neil and Dan Quisenberry.

    And I'm gonna' say two others -as a hitter, Sadaharu Oh and as a pitcher, Hideo Fujimoto. Let this be the Baseball Hall of Fame, - and not just the 'American' Baseball Hall of Fame.

    BTW, it is a crying shame that baseball and softball were voted out of the Olympics after this year! Yet there are four different types of cycling in the Olympics??

    Ed
     
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    Memories of past Tiger greats is all I have right now, since we are in the midst of another Dark Ages in Tigers history. It will be years before this franchise sniffs the playoffs again.
    :tonofbricks:
     
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    Mea culpa.

    I apologize for listing more than one. I did not read the OP very carefully, at first, just saw the bit about deserving and ran from there with it. My No# 1, however, would be extremely hard to determine between Blyleven and McGwire.

    Ed
     
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    You didn't have to be so blunt about it, you could have said, "We'll look into it and see what we can do, but we won't be making any promises."

    I was a big Eric Davis fan, had each and every baseball card that had his name on it, then the market fell out and my $15.00 rookie card quickly turned to a $1.00 rookie card and my $2.00 cards of his quickly became "commons".

    If he would have played an entire season and remained healthy during his career he would have been one of the greats.
     
  11. Andy T.

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    For a 3 or 4 year period, Eric Davis was the most exciting player in baseball. I have a distinct memory of the first 2 months of his 1987 season. I was in 11th grade, and my two buddies and I had a study hall in the library. Every day it was a ritual to grab the USA Today with its bright colors and pictures - we never knew reading a newspaper could be so fun! Anyways, this was pre-Internet and pre-instant information age, and so we ate up all the stats and expanded box scores of the USA Today. I mean, this paper was revolutionary...at least to us it was. Anyways, E. Davis started that season hotter than a firecracker and I remember following his progress, and we kept saying it was going to be the greatest season ever. Well, his annual injury kept that from happening. For fun, I went to baseball-reference.com and looked up his stats for April-May '87, which would have been the time period my friends and I were in that study hall. Here they are:

    .346 BA / .420 OBP / .786 SLG / 1.206 OPS
    19 HR, 52 RBI, 20 SB

    Pretty impressive. Fun memories.
     
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    Oh give me a break. Because "nuff said" isn't blunt at all. :rolleyes:

    I could have come up with the arguments against Eric Davis, but you provided no evidence to support him. If you can't do your homework, then I don't see why I need to.

    Completely agree, but we can't say who is and who isn't a Hall of Famer based on what we think they could have done.

    Here's the thread in question. I actually didn't respond in that one and I have no idea why I didn't. I think you're confusing that one with the Concepcion thread.

    Let him have his fun, Tom. When the only fun things about your team is 2 players who can still rake and Crazy Gary Sheffield, you've hit on some hard times.
     
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    I remember an old Baseball America article that had Davis being the best player in baseball after June 15 in the 86 season. Something along those lines. I remember a game that season against the Cards in St. Louis where E.D. was the sum of the Reds offense, and he threw out two guys at home and one on the paths if memory serves me right. Just single handedly was the Cincinnati team that day.

    No kidding about the memories. I used to love USA Today's box scores AND the ones from Sporting News. I'd read the Sporting News veraciously. Best gift I ever got was a subscription to TSN. Just gobbs of numbers. I'd read every issue 2 or three times in HS.

    Anyway, Eric is 37th in his era in HR; 61st in RBI; 163rd in BA; 39th in OPS.

    Sorry. He doesn't get into Cooperstown. Not even Andy would vote for him if he were a Tiger.

    Wait...yes he would :laugh:

    Is Eric even in the Reds Hall of Fame? A great player, but the HOF is not for greats. It's for the greatest.

    Okay, so who is everyone's second most deserving?
     
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    By the way, I know we do an annual HOF thing (I do one on my blog and for local outlets). But this was spurred on by Pastor Bob asking if this year was Ron Santo's year. Just a random thought.
     
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    On the latest ballot, Andre Dawson was the highest vote getter to not get in and I think my brother had an early Andre Dawson baseball card at one point, so I'll throw him into the hat.

    One of three players in the history of the game to get 400 HR and 300 SBs. Not bad.
     
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    Andre Dawson might be in my top 5 of those not in. I think he is more deserving than Jim Rice, which some people think is nuts, but AD was a more well-rounded player and played in a poor hitters park in Montreal.
     
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    Sorry to derail this thread a tad, but I think that Mike Mussina may have pitched his way into the Hall of Fame this year. I remember discussing Mussina here last year, and most of us agreed that he was borderline and needed a couple more good seasons. He was in serious decline last year. Well, he came back and had a great season this year, and actually won 20 games for the first time. He now has 270 wins. Assuming he pitches another couple years and gets 20-30 more wins, I think he will be a lock. Even if he retired today, I think he would eventually make it. When you consider the hitters' era he played in, his stats measure up quite well.
     
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    In no particular order:

    1. Pete Rose
    2. Andre Dawson
    3. Jim Rice
    4. Mike Morgan
     
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    Who's Mike Morgan?
     
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    =) Look him up and tell me if he belongs in the hall.
     

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