most Non-denom churches tend to follow baptist theology

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  1. John3v36

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    It was stated on an other thread:

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    ... however I do know that most Non-denom churches tend to follow baptist theology, so I have a good guess what baptists believe about the topic, but I am not sure. That is the truth.
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    Why do you think "Non-denom churches tend to follow baptist theology"?"


    My thoughts is if someone takes the Bible at face value (that is with out someother person interpreting for you) you will come up with what most Baptist belive.
     
  2. mioque

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    "if someone takes the Bible at face value (that is with out someother person interpreting for you) you will come up with what most Baptist belive."
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    That would be nice, alas there have been a couple of real life cases where bibles were (somewhat) available but Christian interpreters weren't and in those cases some truly uhmm.. creative theologies developed. A personal favorite remains that group in China which members pray standing on their heads.
    Non-denominational churches are in practice simply another (US-ian) denomination, originating in baptist Christianity.
     
  3. TP

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    Greetings,

    The pastors in the Non-denom churches seem to have all studied in Baptist Bible colleges. My bet if they had studied at a Lutheran seminary the bible would be a little more lutheran to them. The bible will be interpreted how the your teacher interprets it. Now you may change or even find other teachers.

    peace
     
  4. TP

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    Greetings,

    You ask: Why do you think "Non-denom churches tend to follow baptist theology"?"

    Response: could be many reasons? Most I would guess were prosltized by baptists and just followed suit. There could be lots of reason. I could be that they offer the shortest education to be called a pastor. I was in official seminary for 7 years of graduate school before I went to a parish. The Normal education for a priest is 8 years after high school: 4 years college degree and 4 years graduate school.

    peace
     
  5. DietofWorms

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    Are we to understand then that you are a Catholic priest?
     
  6. DietofWorms

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    Belay that, I just read your profile.
     
  7. DietofWorms

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    Do you mind telling us which Seminary you went to?
     
  8. SpiritualMadMan

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    So...

    Is there something *wrong* with Baptist Theology?

    While there are some differences as regards to Music Selection, Gifts of the Spirit, Freedom of Worship and Wide variations in Unconditional Security...

    Most 'Baptist' Doctrine happens to correspond with 'Sound' Doctrine so it should be no surprise if Non-Denom's and Independents seem 'vaguely familiar' doctrinally... [​IMG]
     
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    Here's my take on it:

    Non-denoms agree 100% with Baptist theology except for two key points and that's why they are non-denoms.

    #1 Gifts of the Spirit - Every non-Denom church I've ever visited or heard of, believes the Gifts of the Spirit are Alive and Well today.

    #2 OSAS issue. (aka Security of the Believer)

    Those are the two key points.

    Also, some Baptist churches are rigid & stuffy.
    They don't raise their hands in praise or have contemporary worship music and they follow the order of worship exactly as listed in the bulletin, without leaving room for changes and leading of the Holy Spirit.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Amen Lady Eagle, that pretty well sums it up!!

    You go girl!!

    Peace,

    Tam
     
  11. mioque

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    TP, you must be on a vacation, you haven't posted at this rate in years.

    "Is there something *wrong* with Baptist Theology?"
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    I hope not (for obvious reasons).

    "Most 'Baptist' Doctrine happens to correspond with 'Sound' Doctrine so it should be no surprise if Non-Denom's and Independents seem 'vaguely familiar' doctrinally..."
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    This presumes that by definition, non-denom doctrine is always sound doctrine and that's to put it in Dutch:" Te kort door de bocht."
     
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    I noticed the use of the term "Belay that"... do you have a Navy background?

    Retired Master Chief here.

    God Bless
     
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    I have to say that as far as the salvation message goes (most important message too) the Baptist do have that doctrine down pat. [​IMG] (i.e. the reason for my denomination preferance on my profile) [​IMG]

    [​IMG] LadyEagle I have to agree right along with you and Tam on this.
    BTW, isn't there a pre trib, post trib, mid trib thing with Baptist doctrine and Non-denom's too?

    Music4Him :D
     
  14. DietofWorms

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    My husband was (Canadian Forces Navy) and he also lived for a number of years in eastern Canada where such terms are the common parlance. He uses these terms around the house all the time - confusing at first but after 19 years I've gotten used to it. I remember a time early on in our marriage when he came in to tell me the van wouldn't start - "Hey honey, the van just 'fell over'". There was me with my face pushed to the window expecting to see the van lying on its side.

    We usually are working together when we post to these Boards (shuuush don't tell him this but its my way of evangelizing to him - hee hee [​IMG] ) So he probably typed that.

    Anyway to answer your question he was a technician in the Air Det but he did not retire from the CF(Navy) but rather took his release early on to pursue his education.
     
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    BTW, seeing this is about Denominations...... [​IMG]

    Concidering that I have Baptist in my profile (look at profile to see what I'm talking about) would that make me eligible to post on Baptist only topics too? Or would I be concidered a non-denominational person? What about if someone said thay was a "Spirt Filled Baptist"? Would that put them in a Baptist catagory or a non-Denom catagory? Inquiry minds want ta know. [​IMG]

    Music4Him
     
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    Now Now... That was 'tongue in cheek'. [​IMG]

    There is a lot of congruency with 'Sound Doctrine' by both the Baptists and the Non-Denoms...

    But, I do not think ***ANY*** group has it **ALL** right...

    And, some of what we percieve as 'not right' is cultural bias and not substantive...

    But, that's just my opinion...

    I did think I'd get a 'rise' out of reversing the words in my first statment, though... :D
     
  17. Johnv

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    That's somewhat disconcerting, because statistics show that non-denom pastors tend to lack formal training at a much greater rate than pastors associated with a denomination or fellowship.

    Most denominations require at least some basic formal training. Many denoms require at least a masters degree from an accredited university.
     
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    But, *is* a Masters *really* required to Love God, His Word, and His People?

    Yes, some of us do require outside formal help to learn to think in a straight line... [​IMG]

    Study the Bible...

    Or, bother to learn some church Theology or History...

    But, there are a few of us who live and breath the Word and love to care for God's People...

    And, how many Masters degreed pastors can you get to take a 65 person country church...

    *BUT* I *do* have to agree that by and large a majority of Non-Denoms have tended to do no 'proper' Bible Study and it isn't taught from the pulpit either...

    I got a Lot of training in the pew... I recieved the Word Gladly then I went back to the barracks and dug out the truth of the matter... (Berean)

    More recently there has been a push in the Non-Denoms for a 'proper' and 'verifiable' Bible Based Education... (Thankfully!)

    Unfortunately it is the 'out-riders' and 'crazies' that get all the attention. And, thus doctrinal penetration...
     
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    We're not talking about "loving God, His Word, and His People". We're talking about teaching. If this teaching is going to attain any degree of orthodoxy what so ever it is going to come from preachers, pastors, reverends who have subjected themselves to the rigours of higher education at the feet of scholars who have come before them who also "love God, His Word, and His People". But whom love him enough to get the message out right.

    Way to slam anyone with higher education. :(

    Both subjects which can be made a shipwreck when one doesn't know how.

    Then make the sacrifice and get thee to a college and learn to take care of God's people properly!!!

    Who knows? Maybe the ones that really love to take care of God's people and see their calling as a mission rather than as an opportunity. But ask yourself the following question. Would you make the same allowance for a doctor? Is your spiritual health less important than your physical health?

    Ok, so they're not doing proper exegesis of scripture nor are they proclaiming the correct Word of God from the pulpit. Therefore, their value to the furtherance of God's mission to the Church would be... what... exactly...?

    Hopefully, when you raised questions there was someone around schooled in an orthodox understanding of God's word to illuminate the truth for you.

    I'm afraid I've seen no such growth. In fact, recent personal experience have shown quite the opposite.
     
  20. Johnv

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    No. OTOH, an MD is not required to love patients and medicine. But I'll be darned if I'm ever going to have an uneducated medical professional work on me.

    Too pany people use the cop out of "the Holy Spirit will teach me". Sorry, but the Holy Spirit plants seeds. If a person gets the seed planted in him to be called to the Ministry, but doesn't think watering and weeding of the seed is important, how equipped is that person likely to be to a flock?

    A sword does not become a sword by remaining a cold bar of flat iron. It must be diligently worked upon, molded, beaten, shaped, and given the treatment necessary to make it a sword. SO it is with higher learning.

    The Reformed and Presbyterian Churches require at minimum a Master's from a seminary for every pastor. They have lots of 65 person churches.
     

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