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most Non-denom churches tend to follow baptist theology

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  1. Joeman

    Joeman New Member

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    ALL non-denom churches around where I live ordain female pastors. Baptist churches don't allow female pastors, I don't think. That's one big difference.
     
  2. Johnv

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    Generally, no, Baptists don't ordain female pastors. Technically, however, there's no ban on such in the Baptist Distinctives. A Baptist church could have a female pastor and still be Baptist, since no violations of the distinctives have occurred. However, if a Baptist church is part of a convention or fellowship whose bylaws forbid it, they would be in violation of that convention's plicies, and suffer possible disfellowshipping.
     
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    Ordaining a woman to pastor a church? No way. Letting a woman preach a sermon.......yes way.
     
  4. billwald

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    It is because most independents are Dispensational as are most Baptists. Dispensationalism was invented by John Nelson Darby in the 1800's and refined by the Plymouth Brethern. Scofield, Dallas Theo, Ryrie . . . aare all PBs or PB trained or PB financed.
     
  5. John3v36

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    No. OTOH, an MD is not required to love patients and medicine. But I'll be darned if I'm ever going to have an uneducated medical professional work on me.

    Too pany people use the cop out of "the Holy Spirit will teach me". Sorry, but the Holy Spirit plants seeds. If a person gets the seed planted in him to be called to the Ministry, but doesn't think watering and weeding of the seed is important, how equipped is that person likely to be to a flock?

    </font>[/QUOTE]Poor Moody, Spurgeon and Bunyan. and there poor flock!!! OH MY!
     
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    if you think John Nelson Darby came up with the idea you hve not read Justin Martyr
     
  7. mioque

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    Last time I checked, the Rapture did not show up in the writings of Justinus Martyr.
    As for other aspects of Dispensationalism. Proof please!
     
  8. DietofWorms

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    non Christian posting under members account

    [ January 08, 2005, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]
     
  9. John3v36

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    If you are looking for the word Dispensation you will not find it but you will find the concept.
    the convent view point can not be found till the 3rd century.

    A comparison of dispentional system of the Ante-Nicen Age:

    Justin Martyr (100 - 165 AD) {Dialogue with Trypho}
    Enoch / Noah (Adam to Abraham) Chap 92; cf chap 27
    Abraham (Abraham To Moses) Chap 92; cf. chap 19
    Moses (Moses to Christ) Chap 92 cf. 43
    Christ (Christ to Eternal state?) Chap 23, 43, 45
    Millennium (Seventh millenary of years) chap 81; Frag 15

    Irenaeus (120-202 AD) {Against Heresies}
    (3. 11. 8) Four Covenants (4. 9. 3)
    Adam to Noah (3. 11. 8; 4. 16. 2)
    Noah to Mose (3. 11. 8; 4. 16. 2)
    Moses to Christ (3. 11. 8; 4. 16. 2-3)
    Christ to Eternmal State? (3. 11. 8-9; 4. 9. 1-3)
    Millennium (Seventh millenary of years) (4. 16. 1; 5. 30. 4; 5. 33.2)

    Tertullian (150-225 AD)
    An Answer to the Jews
    Adam - Chaps 2, 4, 5
    Noah - Chap 2, 4
    Abraham - Chap 2-6
    Moses Chap 2-6
    Christ (More faithful worshipers) Apology Chap 21
    Millennium Apology Chap 49

    Tertullian (150-225 AD)
    Against Paxeas
    Adam - Chaps 16
    Noah - Chap 16
    Abraham - Chap 16
    Moses Chap 16
    Christ (More faithful worshipers) Ag.Marc. 3-4, 20
    Millennium- On the Res. 59,61

    Not only the above but “Victorinus of Petau” (on the Creation of the world)


    But above all Gods Word teaches it


    [​IMG] Saint John
     
  10. John3v36

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    Mioque
    the above post is your proof
     
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    That's somewhat disconcerting, because statistics show that non-denom pastors tend to lack formal training at a much greater rate than pastors associated with a denomination or fellowship.

    Most denominations require at least some basic formal training. Many denoms require at least a masters degree from an accredited university.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Please formal training is no better than church training if it is done right
     
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    just because something is stated over and over does not make it true.

    Dispensationalism was NOT invented by John Nelson Darby
     
  13. mioque

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    John3v36
    First of all I apologize for missing your post on the 9th of January. I never use the e-mail notification option, so sometimes I loose track of a thread.

    It is troubling that all of your sources are in fact polemics against heretics and Jews instead of more general works. Basically they are the sort of theological gymnastic excercises that have to explain why the other guy is wrong instead of why you are right.

    I think the following would suit you a little better.
    http://www.duluthbible.org/g_f_j/Intro_To_Dispensational_Theology.htm

    Ofcourse that site points out that systematic dispensational theology didn't exist prior to the late 17th century.
     
  14. 7-Kids

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    Why would that be troubling? I daddy use to say there is more than one-way to skin a cat. If the truth is present who care what the packing is.


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    &gt;Dispensationalism was NOT invented by John Nelson Darby

    Maybe, but there is no record of Darby's theology for the first 1800 or so years of the Christian religion.
     
  16. Johnv

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    That's a rather subjective comment, and statistically untrue.
     
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    That's a rather subjective comment, and statistically untrue. </font>[/QUOTE]how is it untrue?
     
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    I thought he gave a list of people who from the 1st, 2nd & 3rd cenrty believe Dispensationalism!?!
     
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    billwald
    Here is what John3v36 posted.


    If you are looking for the word Dispensation you will not find it but you will find the concept.
    the convent view point can not be found till the 3rd century.

    A comparison of dispentional system of the Ante-Nicen Age:

    Justin Martyr (100 - 165 AD) {Dialogue with Trypho}
    Enoch / Noah (Adam to Abraham) Chap 92; cf chap 27
    Abraham (Abraham To Moses) Chap 92; cf. chap 19
    Moses (Moses to Christ) Chap 92 cf. 43
    Christ (Christ to Eternal state?) Chap 23, 43, 45
    Millennium (Seventh millenary of years) chap 81; Frag 15

    Irenaeus (120-202 AD) {Against Heresies}
    (3. 11. 8) Four Covenants (4. 9. 3)
    Adam to Noah (3. 11. 8; 4. 16. 2)
    Noah to Mose (3. 11. 8; 4. 16. 2)
    Moses to Christ (3. 11. 8; 4. 16. 2-3)
    Christ to Eternmal State? (3. 11. 8-9; 4. 9. 1-3)
    Millennium (Seventh millenary of years) (4. 16. 1; 5. 30. 4; 5. 33.2)

    Tertullian (150-225 AD)
    An Answer to the Jews
    Adam - Chaps 2, 4, 5
    Noah - Chap 2, 4
    Abraham - Chap 2-6
    Moses Chap 2-6
    Christ (More faithful worshipers) Apology Chap 21
    Millennium Apology Chap 49

    Tertullian (150-225 AD)
    Against Paxeas
    Adam - Chaps 16
    Noah - Chap 16
    Abraham - Chap 16
    Moses Chap 16
    Christ (More faithful worshipers) Ag.Marc. 3-4, 20
    Millennium- On the Res. 59,61

    Not only the above but “Victorinus of Petau” (on the Creation of the world)


    But above all Gods Word teaches it


    [​IMG] Saint John
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  20. mioque

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    "I thought he gave a list of people who from the 1st, 2nd & 3rd cenrty believe Dispensationalism!?! "
    "
    He posted some works by early christian authors who believed in different Dispensations (at least they did when they had to explain why the Jews came first*).
    Dispensationalism as an integrated theological system competing with Covenant Theology came about something like 15 centuries later.
    Saint Augustinus for example believed in different Dispensations, but is basically a Covenant theologian.

    *That's why that would be troubling.
     
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