Okay, so on a completely different note, it was mentioned earlier in a thread that some christian's view alcohol as intriniscally wrong. I'd be interested in hearing a defense of that position if any here hold it; I personally think it's an incorrect but understandable position. Christ's first miracle was to make the best wine the earth has probably ever seen (which was an interesting forshadowing too, Moses changed water to blood, Christ changed water to wine, and then wine to blood). The head server comments that people usually serve the good wine first and then an inferior wine after the guests have had enough that they woudnt notice the switch - guests at a sometimes week-long celebration! The wine was good because it was alcoholic. Alcohol is not evil. It's not good either per se. But alcohol is definitely not to be proscribed from the Christain diet for reasons of morality. Now, this is not to say that individuals may not choose to not drink wine, or that there isn't virtue perhaps in that. And some certainly probably shouldn't, like a recovering alcoholic. But alcoholic drinks are not verboten for Christians. Paul even recommends Timothy have some wine for the sake of his stomach. Does anyone here belong to a church which teaches that alcohol is sinful inherently? I'd appriciate your take on this.