I don't want to hijack the thread about corporate worship, but I do want to share something that worries me. When I was in high school (in the dark ages) one of my good friends had a dad who was a music minister at the largest Baptist church in town. I was not saved yet, nor was I Baptist. I asked her about her dad's job--what he did, what training he had, etc. She taught me that he had a college degree in music, complete with courses in performance, composition, music history, music theory, etc. And then he went to seminary and trained in Bible--theology, doctrine, history, languages, etc. So he was a full fledged ordained minister who ministered through music. Fast forward several decades (I am NOT telling how many) and a young man I taught in church as a gradeschooler is now a worship leader hired by a Baptist church. He has a college degree in music education, so I am assuming he had training in theory, composition, performance, etc. But instead of any theological education, he was then trained in "worship techniques." I have to admit these make my blood run cold, as he tells about learning how to use music to build a certain mood, induce a certain mental state, or coerce certain actions. Examples would be: if the pastor wants a yes vote at the end of a service for a new building program, do only upbeat victory songs. Or the quite knowledgable use of repetitive phrases to induce a trance like state (a yoga practice.) Or the fact he prefers standing to sitting and singing all in one block because he was taught this induces the same mental state watching tv does--a sort of mental checking out or mind relaxation. The stand and sing, pray, sit and sing, stand and sing, sit for sermon, etc means people are "too awake" or "too alert" and therefore less receptive to the preaching. I'm sorry, but those practices sound a bit too "Jim Jones" for my taste. And it worries me that we seem to be unwilling to rely on God's Word applied by the Holy Spirit and instead try to use techniques of crowd manipulation.