Music? separate over it or not?

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  1. reubdog

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    hello all,
    I was just wondering what the opinion out there is about separating from other churches on their music. Let's say you had a totally indy fundy church maybe even the preacher used the KJV would you break fellowship with them?
    curious,
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  2. I Am Blessed 24

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    I have to laugh because until I joined this forum I had never heard of the term indy fundy even though I is one [​IMG] Our preacher uses the KJV as do most of the congregation (including myself). We have traditional music. I have stated before that IMO 'Christian Rock' is an oxymoron. Before everyone starts jumping :confused: Reubdog asked a question and I am giving him my opinion. [​IMG]
     
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    I am blessed 16,
    thanks for your opinion, but with that in mind, if you had to vote in your church to work together with another church on whatever ministry would you vote to work with them or not if they used CCM?
    thanks
    reuben
     
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    I am new here and trying to get used to all the initials. I am assuming CCM is Contempory Christian Music? I would vote no. :rolleyes:
     
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    Can just imagine Christian Rock written in a King James style ...... Personally prefer Baroque to Rock, but that's just me. [​IMG]

    As far as the issue of seperating from a church because of its choice of music style, definately not. It may not be MY style, but if the intent is to honour God, the words are theologically sound (examine some of the old hymns!!) and it is properly prepaed for the worship service then it's OK.

    Regards
    Bob
    I may choose to go to another church that has a style that suits me, in effect leaving one fellowship and joining another, but that is significantly different to seperating from a church.
     
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    Hi Bob [​IMG]

    Now, you know I consider "Christian Rock" an oxymoron. [​IMG]

    I understood the question to be would I vote yes or no as far as working with another church on a ministry if their music did not line up with mine. It had nothing to do with me leaving my church over a difference in music. We tend to be a pretty separated congregation.

    reubdog correct me if I have the wrong idea here about your question please :confused:
     
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    Bob,
    I'm glad to hear that, See many young fundy's those of us going through the Bible college ranks and such see this as a potential problem. While I love the great hyms of the faith and sing them every week, I also speak a different language than those of the 1800's when it comes to music. I'm just not sure if in my church if we had some more contemporary music, or even something like an acoustic guitar if many in our circles would separate from me, even though we might cross all our theological t's and dot our i's the same.
    What about those pastors out there? Music - issue of ecclesiastical separation or not?
    reuben
     
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    I can't tell is the question is (1) "break fellowship" with a church because it uses contemporary songs and music, or (2) break fellowship with such a church if it does not.

    In either case, for me the answer is 'no.' If there is going to be music and singing at all, then questionable lyrics are going to be involved no matter whether the songs are "traditional hymns" or "contemporary." It just comes down to whether you like the music or not.
     
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    Yup. I'm a pastor and I for one have very very very little use for most of what passes for CCM these days. Sad.

    Separate over it? What a church does is there business. "Autonomous" is still a Baptist distinctive, right? If I don't care for a style of music, dress, preaching, doctrine, I have the right to not fellowship with them.

    And they with me, if they don't like bow ties for instance!

    Think that there are good discussions on the music forum. Don't know that another one here is productive (but I won't close the thread in case some want to visit about it)
     
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    I agree with Dr. Bob on his opinion of CCM.

    As to the question at hand, It's foggy to me what you mean about "separating" from a church that you are not a part of in the first place.

    Seems to me that there is individual liberty here, at lest to a point, but if you bring it into the church then it becomes MY business.

    Playing it in your car and making me sing it in church are two different things.

    I would leave a church over CCM. In fact I have, TWICE (the stuff spreads like the plague).

    [ January 18, 2003, 11:39 PM: Message edited by: Pennsylvania Jim ]
     
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    I suppose they had the same problem when what Isaac Watts and Charles Wesley wrote was contemporary church music ... The church survived them [​IMG]

    Regards
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    Depends on what they call "music" ;)

    Usually a very good indication of what a Church is like comes from the music played.

    Pete
     
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    Personally, I think that people's tastes in music
    have led too many arguments between believers
    through the centuries. I think people need to get
    over their infantile insistance that everything must
    their way or the highway or quietly go where the
    music suits their tastes without first creating
    havock, without putting others down, and without
    letting the door hit them on the way out.

    [ January 19, 2003, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]
     
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    Alcott,
    1. is what i meant. In other words, if you were a pastor of a church would you participate in fellowships, youth rallies, ect... with other churches that took a pro-ccm stance, even if at the functions the two churches participated in didn't invole ccm. let's say like a youth activity with another churches youth group who took a known ccm stance, but agreed if your church kids were there that they wouldn't use it.
    Although this might seem like a strange question, i see in the next ten years rumblings fin our baptist circles toward a more open approach to some really good ccm on the more conservative side. reuben
     
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    Would you give me some modern examples of this Reubdog? Are we talking some of the 1978-84 Praise & Worship (As the Deer, Majesty, Emmanuel)

    I see "good ccm" as oxymoronic, as with "conservative ccm". :rolleyes:

    [ January 19, 2003, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     
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    I love to sing all kinds of Christian music. At my church we sing out of the hymnals and then someone goes up and sings a special. The songs they pick every week just drag on and on. Never anything uplifting. The music does nothing at my church but nothing.
    It seems every week it gets slower and slower.

    Then we come home and get out different hymnals and chorus books and start singing joyfully to the Lord.

    Ok before you make me the topic of your punching bags...remember you asked and this is my own personal opinion.

    I will sing what I want to the Lord. I will sing it from my heart and soul. I will sing praises and thanks. With assortments of instruments and some without. No one gets to decide what I can and can't sing to Him but Him!

    I have yet to be cursed from God for it, and have been blessed more than I can say.

    Sherrie
     
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    Absolutely not. You seperate over the fundamentals.
     
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    If Christians are Brothers and Sisters because of the work on the Cross by Jesus our Savior, why would we break fellowship over music style.
    ONe thing that the new Testament does not address is "style" of worship . the only criteria for worship is that Gopd is a Spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
    To seperate because of style show an attitude childishness.
    To be stubborn on this issue is to be like those in I corinthians that say I am of Paul, or I am of Apollos. Does Contemporary Music Save us ? Does traditional music save us, or are we saved because of the power of the Name of Jesus and the power that raised him from the dead?
     
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    Bob, there are some Christian metal bands who's music tends to be somewhat dark and very heavy in lyrical content.

    Some of these bands do write like that.

    I don't listen to that kind of music so I can't list any specific bands, but I have heard them.
     
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    If I want to hear rock and roll, I will attend a concert, turn on the radio or telly. There is nothing worse than employing the world to pretend to be worshipping the Lord in a sanctuary designed for that purpose.

    Singing in a service is complimentary to the preaching. When that fails, let's just stop preaching and have weekly concerts.

    Would I sever fellowship with other churches who employ this music? No, of course not. It seems that all the so-called fundamental churches in my area employ it. Do I enjoy the services when I attend? No! Emphatically not, but I just take it as being on the wrong end of life; just another change taking place in the church to-day. It will backfire, but that will take time to show itself as the destroyer it is.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     

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