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Muslim Cleric calls women 'meat'

Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by El_Guero, Oct 26, 2006.

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  1. Terry_Herrington

    Terry_Herrington New Member

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    It's OK, he's just being Hillclimber.
     
  2. Daisy

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    That's not true. Many people are zenophobic, hating bigots, some of them Islamic, some of the Christian and so on. It is the people and the culture.

    One of the interesting side effects of this anti-Islamic trend is that fundamentalist Christians seem to down play the proscribed submissiveness of women nowadays. You don't hear nearly as many calls for women to cover their hair now.

    Did a headcount, did you?
     
  3. El_Guero

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    Daisy,

    I think that you are so close to the fire that you do not feel it burning anymore.

    Any man can be sleazy if he lets his flesh get out of control. A group of drunk football players, a group of drunk G.I.'s from any country, but none of them are worse than a bunch of sober muslims in a foreign country.

    I have seen a group of drunk men (many different times, many different places) that were not Christian talking coarsely about a woman nearby. And I have seen time after time, one of them 'escort' her away from trouble. Are there groups of non-Christian men here in the USA that gang-rape, and there is not one soul that has a conscience in that group? Yes.

    But, I have consistently seen a much, much, much lower conscience among sober muslim men.

    Muslim men talk about Christian women as badly as drunk non-Christian men talk about women in a whore house.

    You continue to believe that a Christian can commit evil and demonic deeds. Those deeds are anathema to God and to Christians. Not only are they not anathema to muslims - they are encouraged by other muslims and by muslim clerics.

    That is a HUGE contrast between what we believe. And there is a huge contrast between what WE do. The muslims have always converted by invasion and the sword. While the Catholics and Anglo-catholics have done conversion by 'force' - they were converting cannibals, head-hunters, and those sacrificing human lives. Even if you consider the 'catholic' groups as Christian, Christians have never started wars to convert the 'enemy'.

    And if you want to see real bigotry - look at how the arab muslims treat the bengalis and african muslims.

    There is a HUGE difference between stopping human sacrifice and encouraging human sacrifice . . . and if you think that preaching that good muslims should gang-rape non-muslim women is not sacrificing those women's lives to that muslim god - then just how do you define what they did?

    How do you define the teaching and preaching (from the position of religious leader) of gang violence upon non-muslims?

    HOW do you define this? It has been taught for centuries and centuries.

    Don't give me a cultural deal - there is not a single culture among muslims that does not support other muslims doing these things. There is not a single muslim culture in the world that is outraged by these actions. And there certainly has never been a single muslim that would lay down his life upon a cross for the world.

    Jesus changes cultures into cultures where many non-Christian men will die for what is righteous. Mohamed and his religion has developed cultures around the world that consider gang-violence upon non-muslims as a proper method of conversion. They believe it is ok to convert by fear. And even worse, they believe that it is ok to terrorize for fun without any intention of converting the people they are terrorizing.
     
  4. El_Guero

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    There are many classic examples of the complete difference between muslim culture and the pagan cultures of the west that are built upon Christian values.

    Bosnia

    Somalia

    Iraq

    Afghanistan

    Indonesia

    . . . and so many more opportunities for muslims to help muslims. So many opportunities for muslims to sacrifice financially and physically. So many opportunities for mothers to be proud of their sons and daughters dying on foreign soil to save other muslims.

    The USA, a part Christian part pagan culture, can sacrifice for the world. All the muslim countries can do is consume what they can take from the rest of the world.

    Even if Jesus was not the One True Creator God, what He has done to human culture is an improvement. The cultural revolution that Jesus started cannot be compared to the cultural degradation that accompanies islam.
     
  5. El_Guero

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    An incredible post, thanks El Guero
     
  7. Daisy

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    Are you saying you think I'm going to hell because I am not saved? I won't say here what I think of you, your heart, your soul - but I think you know.

    Pure unadulterated ignorance and bigotry.


    I have seen a group of drunk men (many different times, many different places) that were not Christian talking coarsely about a woman nearby. And I have seen time after time, one of them 'escort' her away from trouble. Are there groups of non-Christian men here in the USA that gang-rape, and there is not one soul that has a conscience in that group? Yes.

    You hang out with drunks in whorehouses a lot?

    Obviously not anathema to all the Christians who cheer on the torture of captives.

    It is anathema to the great majority of Moslems.

    Yeah, that explains the all American converts.

    Are you saying that all the Christian wars were for the raping, pillaging and massacring and that the conversions by the sword were merely incidental?

    That is real bigotry. It's interesting that you can recognise it in others but not in yourself.

    Duh.

    Just who, specifically, has preached that good muslims should gang-rape non-muslim women? I believe that you are grossly, wilfully mistaken that this is what the cleric in the OP has preached.

    Of course, you think that they must be lying for PR, I guess - how else to explain your dismissal?

    So now you claim omniscience! You know the deepest recesses of the hearts and minds of millions upon millions of people you never even knew existed. I'm in awe of your humility.

    I think specific examples to the contrary would not be heard by you, so I'll save my breath (or fingers) and simply wonder where all this hatred in your heart comes from.
     
  8. El_Guero

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    Daisy,

    Women married to muslims (in my experience) either put their head in the sand, or become extremely miserable because they cannot handle the inconsistencies of what is taught by islam.

    Yes, I have known many more than the two women on this board that have gone against scripture and married outside of the faith. It was difficult in this part of America to befriend muslims and not meet muslims that had married outside of their religion.

    Does any of that mean that I think you are going to hell? I do not know - I do know that you do not want (desire) to post about Jesus, but you want to post about the 'good' of that religion called islam. I can read your posts, but I cannot read your mind.

    Too close to the fire:
    http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/CLOSE

    . . . You are involved in a relationship that places you close to the fire. You chose to define that fire as hell. I should worry about your faith, but at this stage in our dialog, I believe you should know the Gospel that keeps one from burning in Hell.

    Experience. I have had a muslim roommate. I have stood there in conversation with sober muslims and thought to myself, "Do they really think that all women are just good for being whores - or is it only American women that they think of in this manner?" My roommate was not like the others. I do not know if he was trying to not offend me, or if he was genuinely a kind person. I would not even try to read a muslims heart.

    Of all the muslims that I have known, only one would discuss with me the truths of islamic culture. He painted a very bleak picture of what islam is about. He told me that he could only discuss the culture on condition of anonymity - he feared for his life. It was years before I really understood that his fear was real.

    I have some modern friends that became a Christian and have had the scales of the islamic religion drop from his heart. None of them paint a pretty picture. All of them describe islam consistent with my muslim friend of decades ago. None of them describe islam with the brush that you use. None of them describe it as a good religion.
     
  9. El_Guero

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    A French woman went to jail when she reported being raped.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5676

    Many similar articles posted in this forum: http://www.hannity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-58512.html

    World wide, islamic justice is a very cruel method of controlling the masses.

    I believe that worshiping the devil through his religion builds up an anger within the people that can only be released by Jesus Christ.

    And if you want to call that bigotry - then do so. But, I won't kill you like a muslim court would kill a convert from islam to Christianity. Some of my friends have lived under the sentence of death for choosing Jesus Christ.
     
  10. Daisy

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    You are presumptuous to judge my marriage. You know nothing about it. What you imagine is a reflection of yourself only.

    Well, la-di-da, that does not make you an expert.

    Neither does reading anti-Islamic stories from the likes of Hannity. All that you seek is a confirmation of your own bias. You remind me of the people who are afraid to go to Harlem because "everyone knows" the stories. Some of the stories are even true, but they are so far from complete that if you take them for the whole, you believe a lie. I pity you for your blindness but I am afraid of the malice you incite.
     
  11. Magnetic Poles

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    Daisy, isn't it strange all the mind readers we have here who know the heart and intent of another?
     
  12. El_Guero

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    MP

    No, it is said that you and others like yourself presume to know the hearts of others.

    If you truly sought after the heart of God Himself, your heart would indeed understand my heart better and:

    You would hurt daily for the lost that will burn for eternity in Hell.

    I pray that God, Himself, might visit upon you one week of what He has visited upon me - may you eat your words - may your own words become so odorous to you in the presence of the Holy God that you see your words as mere vomit before that Holy One of all Eternity . . .

    May you beg Him for hours to let you sleep.

    May you promise Him to witness to the lost no matter the cost - even your life.

    May you take up the banner of the Holy God and proclaim His Word, not for your glory, but for the sake of the lost and the damned.

    Read His Word.

    Pray to the Holy One.

    Seek that which was lost - those that walk the face of this earth eternally damned and waiting upon judgment.

    Ask the Father for workers that the Harvest might be accomplished.
     
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    God has a plan for your life . . . you are so not ready.

    God's Word says to not be unequally yoked . . . Your words judge your marriage.

    1600 years of stories . . . support what you call a bias . . . millions of lives sacrificed by the god of islam . . .

    And the Words of Jesus:
    When was the last time that someone persecuted you for your faith in Jesus?

    When was the last time that you persecuted me?

    Yes, I do presume upon the Words of Our Lord and Savior the Risen King and Coming Lord.

    When He comes every knee shall bow . . . every muslim knee will bow. Every muslim will worship Him . . . and then face their eternal judgment.

    If you love them, you will tell them before it is too late.

    Soon . . . sooner than you expect, hundreds if not thousands will come to you and say, "Please tell us the words of life. We know that you were a Christian. Tell us what we must do to be saved!"

    For each of them . . . each and every one, you will hear, "Go I never knew you."

    Would you rather be persecuted and maltreated on this earth, or face them in the line to the judgment throne?

    I would rather take the punishment here.
     
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    Hillclimber,

    Your welcome, but I didn't write it for the thanks. I wrote it for Daisy . . . she is the only one here that can witness to her muslim family and friends.

    She is probably their last and only opportunity to hear the Gospel and to repent instead of spending eternity in Hell.

    She is their only hope to hear the Good News that the Blood of Jesus can cleanse them . . .
     
  15. Magnetic Poles

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    How utterly distasteful that you judge Daisy's marriage. Your self-righteousness stinks!
     
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    I have never presumed any such thing.

    So you and God have the same heart? :laugh:

    Poor baby. I don't presume to know what you have gone through to make you so bitter and full of hate.

    If sleep is a problem, there's always Lunesta!

    Need a ladder to get off your high horse?
     
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    What is El Guero's problem? He's always making these self-righteousness proclamations about everyone else's supposed spiritual problems. If he would just worry about his own condition and mind his own business he would be better received. I know his self-righteousness attitude is certainly not Christ-like at all!
     
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    The Word of God be the judge . . .

    And if you think that is hateful . . . then why do you believe the good parts and take away the bad parts?

    Selective reading?
     
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    TH and MP, you are at least consistant. You always come down on the wrong side in the war between good and evil.
     
  20. Magnetic Poles

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    Only if you see yourself on the side of evil.

    It is evil for EG to judge Daisy (whom I assume he only knows through her postings here) and her marriage. He is not a party to it, and has no business judging her. Self righteousness and bigotry are sickening.
     
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