Muslims Celebrate 911

I imagine Muslims made the same comment about Christianity during the Crusades.

 

And?

 

Read it again, Ken. That # is ATTACKS, not lives lost or maimed. Number of attacks.

The Holy Spirit is Who motivates muslims or anyone else to become a Christian, Ken. Not LE. If a muslim is motivated to find the TRUTH, then they will search for it and wonder why islam and all it teaches is a lie, especially the part about being a "peaceful" religion. They will also wonder why the word "jihad" and the words "Mein Kampf" both mean the same thing, struggle.

And, hopefully, those who are terrorists and seek out the truth will do what this man did:

http://www.shoebat.com/

PS, nice dodge. You never answered my question about why most terrorist acts committed today are committed by muslims. And that old strawman about the crusades won't work either - the crusades were started by muslims trying to spread their religion by the sword. The crusades were in response to that action. There have been threads about that in which that topic was examined. You're welcome to start a thread about that.

 

Yeah, those are the attacks, Ken, not the number of attackers.

They were not made by 5,805 individuals, but teams of individuals. If you multiply that by a minimum of ten individuals per operation, you have 58,050 terrorists.

A squad of terrorists is a fraction, but a fraction is part of a whole.

Add to these armed terrorists their mass bases, comprised of the Muslim civilians among whom they live, from whom they get their support both logistically and personnel.

Guerilla warfare is still effective against uniformed structured armies.

 

Depending upon the actual number of attackers (5,805 might be the total number of suicide bombers, or just the number or strikes), the number of support staff would be large.

Normally, each strike would be conducted by an individual cell - for discussion we will use 4 - 5 members (but the cell can be 10 members). Each cell would be part of a team - difficult to gauge size but, historically two to five combat cells, one intell cell, one operational cell, one command cell. So your gauge of 10 to one would easily support the first level of terrorists.

The second level would be direct supporters . . . that number would most likely translate into 600,000. The next number would be direct sympathizers and would be at least 6 million. Indirect sympathizers would be in the neighborhood of 20 million or more.

Or said a little differently, the populations of Texas and California would be required to support that large of a a terrorist network . . .

All of my numbers are rounded down.

There could easily be 100 million to 300 million sympathizers and supporters of the terrorist activities.

10% to 20% of the islamic population . . . is possible - I won't go so far as to call it probable. But, definitely possible.

 

Ken

Each Crusade was a counter attack against the invasion of the muslims. Each islamic attack occured because they thought the could defeat the Christians.

It took centuries and a large loss of life to remove most of the muslims from Christian Europe.

Note: Northern Africa and the Mid East never returned to the Christian fold. And over to India the muslims replaced Christianity . . .

 

The lack of peace isnt just about the acts of terrorism. It includes what is being taught in the mosques, homes, and schools of muslim families. It isnt just about Americans but it is about anyone who holds the infidel status.

Bringing up slavery, or the crusades is silly. Who on this board took part in that or would ever take part in that? I do not stand condemned because of the past or present sins of others. Otherwise if that be the case then we are all guilty of all mistakes and transgressions of those in our country even our leaders. And even though you disagree you remain guilty and have no room to talk liberal, conservative or otherwise. So based on your logic you remain a hypocrit to speak against our President.

But the truth is your not and I'm not. You are just wrong.

 

I like this part:

 

Interestingly, the vast majority of them have taken place in Iraq & Afghanistan - in other words, every mugging, every act of war is counted as a "muslim terrorist attack" - so it seems from the list. They don't say how or from where, just "from international news sources". They don't say how it is determined how any particular act is "committed in the name of Islam."

This site claims that 60 Iraqi civilians have been killed by American troops. I find that more than a bit incredible.

Yeah, struggle. For most Moslems that means a spiritual struggle.

 

LE

In a day and age when the muslims are exterminating Christians around the world, what you have said has more and more meaning . . .

 

You say "the" statistics - which statistics are you talking about. The ones that I referred to are taken from LE's source, which states that it was using numbers taken from "news sources". Are you saying that the National Counter Terrorism Center is a "news source"? Even if they included the NCTC, which was not claimed, the plural was used "news sources.

So, who's mistaken, carpro?

 

Data is data and is only as accurate as the people compiling the data and their discriminands . . .

So when you find that the islamicists are not killing hundreds of thousands of Christians each year, let me know. I would love to read your source.

Oh yeah, they are sending their terrorist teams out to kill thousands of civilians each year as well . . . .

 

As I previously stated, God will reveal Himself to muslims who seek the truth.

This will bring tears to your eyes (allow time to download - it is about 30 minutes long, but worth it):


http://www.4truth.net/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=hiKXLbPNLrF&b=784495&ct=1557999

 

I did go to LE's source. Each act is not documented - there is no document or reference to check for any of them that I could find - just a date, a number and a blurb. The site claims to have gotten its numbers from "internation news sources". I didn't see any particular one mentioned.

A "quick scan" is definitve to carpro, greater proof than the site's own words as to what was included - yeah, quoting the site's own contention as to what they include is normal for me, thanks.

There is no way to tell what was religiously motivated unless a particular group claimed credit and said it was religiously motivated - even then, they might be using that as a cover for a personal vendetta, political struggle, etc. This site and you seem to attribute every act of violence by someone even nominally Muslim as a terrorist act of religious motivation - with no evidence that this is so.

 

Daisy

I don't, I have not, and I will not.

But, muslims kill hundreds of thousands of Christians around the world each year.

You need to spend some time beneath Saharan Africa or in the SE Asian areas (Indonesia, Malaysia, and Thailand all have significant body counts).

http://www.persecution.com/ has been tracking the slaughter of believers for over a decade that I know of . . .

:jesus: saves.

 

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WOW what kind of talk is this coming from a "Christian"? If this is how a Christian is then i think we all need help, Don't you think?
So maybe this explains Why Mr. Bush is like he is then He claims to be Christian also.

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Vera

 

I regret your ignorance has led you to failure.

Read his book and then get back to me with your ignorance and I will clear it up for you.

Jesus is God in Flesh.

The muslim allah is an evil imitation made by satan to deceive the masses. He leads the muslim masses to hatred, lies, and murder.

Your lack of love for the muslim masses keeps you from going there as a missionary and proclaiming the Love of God through His Son Jesus Christ . . .

:BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

Get over your hatred of the muslims and go witness to them.

Stand in the middle of Damascus and proclaim Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

raying:

Praying for you - that they will be more merciful to you than you are to the President of the USA.