This thread was motivated by (1) comments in the "let the best theology win" thread about calvinist pastors hiding thier beliefs, and (2) the recent threads attacking John Calvin and assuming that calvinists are simply the cult-followers of a murderous man. Which leads me to my primary question, with a few corollary questions: PRIMARY: Must a Baptist person who believes that 4 or 5 of the soteriological points of calvinism are correct, then identify himself/herself as a calvinist? 1. If a church asks a potential pastor, "are you a calvinist," would it be acceptable to the arminians who fear calvinist take-overs if the man said, "no, but I believe Calvin go some things righ; specifically, that there are scripture that lead me to believe that God did Elect those who would be saved before the foundation of the world. I also believe men must repent and believe in Christ." Would you say this man is being deceptive. 2. What if the man is a 4-point calvinist? 3. What if the man is not sure, but does believe in unconditional election because the divine foreknowledge views and the corporate election views do not hold water in his view? 4. What if the man is full-on 7 pointer, double-predestination, supralapsarian, covenant theology...but does not baptize babies...and does not believe Calvin to be a good role model...must HE take the title calvinist?