Mutual submission

What happens when we disagree about something? He has 51% voting stock in this company that is called 'us'.
A blessed man indeed to have a woman of virtue. But I'd have figured you'd each have 50% stock, with God as the tiebreaker

 

That is very good Helen.

 

How is it that a person could come to the conclusion that submission is obeying(bowing to)very command a man gives? I don't agree with it, but would like to know how anyone oculd think something like that.

~Teresa~

 

Baptistfroever,we are to submit,unless he is asking us to sin....like asking us to not go to church,lie for him,watch things we shouldn't,etc.....If he is sinning,and he is a believer,we can biblically reprove him,in love....we are never to blindly submit,but if he is a godly man and desires for me to do a certain thing,even if it is not written in God's word,I should do it. I should respect and submit in EVERYTHING. Eph 5:25 says...."But as church is subject to Christ,so also the wives ought to be subject to their husbands in EVERYTHING." I read that as everything....

There is no evidence for mutual submission in scripture.

[ November 27, 2002, 08:11 AM: Message edited by: Molly ]

 

Submission is not an issue unless we disagree,then I am to submit(as long as it is not sinful,etc....)

If we already agree on things,then great. But submission is a voluntary action to place oneself under another for protection,it is God's design,not mine. I want to be this kind of wife.

 

There is also mutual submission. What if you are right in a decission and he is wrong? Several times I went along with what he said after we discussed it, and it turned out we should have done what I thought we should. I don't have a problem with submission, but it needs to be the right decission that the other person is submitting too. Just becasue he says it doesn't make it the right thing to do. For instance I take care f our money, he wouldn't know how to write a check, or know the PIN to our debit card(I just got him to be able to use it at the gas pumps), he doesn't want to know these kinds of things. Therefore I know how much money we have and what we can do with it. He thinks I should buy whatever I see I really want, but taking care of the money I know I can't. He'll be with me and I'll really loe something and he'll say then buy it, and I won't because I kow how $$ we have. He'll want something for the house or car and I sometimes have to tell him no. He knows I know what I am talking about, and he submitts to my finical decisions. I am qualified to make these decisions, he is not. He doesn't even know what our bills cost us in a month, or how much we have to spend on food. I'm a cheapo and he isn't, (we'd always be in debt if he made money decisions for us).
My husband rarely ever tells me no I can't go somewhere or do something, but he does say I'd rather if you didn, but do what you want. I about 99% of the time don't, and that 1% wish I hadn't. And it works the other way around too, when I say I think it's a bad idea for him to do something, and he does, he'll saometimes come back and say wish I'd listened to you.
So I think what I am saying is that sometimes one is more qualified to make a good (knowledgeable) decision, and thats where mutual submission comes in.
Theres a fine line I've seen people cross over to where the husband is dictator, and the wife submitts out of fear. Being leader of a family is not dictatorship, and should never be treated as such.

 

My question is this after reading your post: Is he the spirtual head of your home,or do you make most of the decisions?

 

If the husband says the family needs to move from California to Kentucky, and the wife believes it is God's will to stay in California (I can't imagine anyone who would), does she insist on staying or does she go?

 

Helen, that doesn't address the issue. Even after alot of prayer, the husband believes they need to move. The wife says they should stay. Do they go or stay?

 

Helen, you still have not answered my question.

To help out, let me put a time contraint on it. The husband says they have to move in a week. The wife says forget about it. We are stayin'. They pray as much as possible during the next couple of days.

When crunch time has arrived and both parties still disagree, what do they do? Does the wife go believing it is wrong or does the husband stay believing it is wrong?

 

Let me offer another possibility:

The husband is lost and believes they need to move. The wife is saved and believes it is God's will to stay. Do they go or stay?

 

And,Helen...if it is ordained protection(established by God for the authority to be the husband) and God's will for the wife to submit,why can't that be done,knowing it would be God's will to submit and therefore,do what your husband thinks. Do you feel God would lead you in a different way than your husband? How would you be certain of that and verify that *will*...as oppossed to just following God's word in the area of submision....? It is like you are saying that God could direct both of you in different directions? How could that be,when you are "one" and God has given authority to lead to the husband?

 

Dear Helen,
I mean no offense when I ask this question. But, why have you posted this topic, "Mutual Submission," in the fundamental Baptist section? You are an intelligent woman and you probably know that most Fundamental Baptist Churches teach the Headship of man. Just a little bit confused.
I am not telling you where and how to post, but I am just curious as to why you would put it here.

HCL

 

HCL, in the thread on pants, Johnv mentioned it. I suggested that someone start a thread on Mutual Submission so that the original thread would not get too far off course.

 

Oops, sorry, I missed that. Nevermind, Helen.