My Biblical "One-Biblism" stance, that would be the one God wrote

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  1. superdave

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    First I would like everyone to read the below scripture. I hope you will be convited as I am when I read it. Alot of you seek a Biblical stance for One-Biblism. So here is my "One-Biblism" stance.

    1Ti 1:1-8 ESV Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope, (2) To Timothy, my true child in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. (3) As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, (4) nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith. (5) The aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. (6) Certain persons, by swerving from these, have wandered away into vain discussion, (7) desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make confident assertions. (8) Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully,

    This is the direct word of Paul against the influence of false teachers, who by subtle distinctions and endless disputes, corrupted the purity and simplicity of the gospel. I beleive Whole-Heartedly that this is a direct slam against Version Onlyism, and other variations on Judaism, Gnosticism, and the Colossian Heresy. With Version Onlyism comes confusions. With confusion, comes "myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith." I Tim 1:4.

    I Tim 1:5-6 Goes on to speak of using "sincere faith", not being "swereved", and "wandered away into vain discussion;". Is it not very clear from at least the versions forum on this board that version onlyism leads to vain discussion! That is why your a memeber here since that is the only subject you post on. I beleive vs. 7 is clear as can be. Can you teach complete understanding even though you choose to attack the Bible? We know that the "flaws" in all modern translations are seen in ancient translations as well, and saying otherwise causes confision. Vs. 8 is simple and pure the law is good! if we use it lawfully.

    I think the Autograph innerancy stance is more than just seeking proof. You take a charge through faith to stand firm on ONE beleif. "One Beleif!" I don't think there will be to many "myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith." when you take one stance! The Bible has been preserved, the agreement of the manuscripts proves the faithfulness of several transltations. The scriptures as inspired by God are innerant and infallible, and where modern tranlsations agree with the autographs, they are indeed the very word of God. Conservative scholarship affirms the high degree of accuracy to the extant manuscripts, so we can know, without doubt, what the commands of God are. Praise the Lord. [​IMG]
     
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    Dave,

    Which manuscripts? Which MV's?

    You said:

    "The Bible has been preserved, the agreement of the manuscripts proves the faithfulness of several transltations. The scriptures as inspired by God are innerant and infallible, and where modern tranlsations agree with the autographs, they are indeed the very word of God."

    Which manuscripts and to what MV's do they apply? Some references please.
     
  3. Dr. Bob

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    Let's assume that SuperDave believes (I don't know) that the Majority Text is "the inspired" exact copy of the inspired original.

    It certianly would NOT be "accurately translated" in the AV1611 or one of its various revisions. God forbid. There would be hundreds of odd word choices, made up phrases that have no source in Greek, even some Latinized words.

    Probably the New KJV would come the closest.

    (Of course, that is assuming superdave believes the MT is best. I doubt that he does.)
     
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    But by the same analogy, Dr Bob, the KJV could not be considered "accurately translated," even though it was primarily based on some form of the TR text (as distinguished from the majority text)-- not only because the reconstructed TR underlying the KJV was not in existence until 1894 (Scrivener), but also because even Scrivener noted around 160 places where his reconstructed text could not reflect any Greek text underlying the KJV due to the KJV translators following the Latin Vulgate or other versions.

    Now if everyone could agree that nearly all translations are translated *reasonably* accurately, this particular charge (that ultimately denigrates the KJV as well as MVs) would not need to be brought.

    Superdave is correct: "The Bible has been preserved, the agreement of the manuscripts proves the faithfulness of several translations. The scriptures as inspired by God are inerrant and infallible, and where modern tranlsations agree with the autographs, they are indeed the very word of God."
     
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    My personal opinion is that a translation like the AV1611 IS a good/reasonable translation and I will use it. Its little foibles (advanced revelation) are paralleled in poor choices or words or poor phrasing of idiom in all other translations.

    I love the ASV1901. But in II Tim 3 it says "All inspired of God scripture is profitable . . . ", allowing the implication that some scripture might NOT be inspired of God. Lousy wording. But good translation over all.
     
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    Yes, any manuscript or translation that accurately depics the truth penned by God in the original autographs is indeed the Word of God, and God has promised that we have the truth preserved for us. I would include the MT in this ;) Not being a greek scholar of renown, I would not presume to know which is "best" That is why study is required, not just blind guesswork about what a specific passage could mean. The Bible means what it meant. See the following truths that are revealed in many various translations and texts.

    Psa 119:89 For ever, O Jehovah, Thy word is settled in heaven. ASV

    1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. KJV

    1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. KJV

    Eph 6:17 and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,
    ESV

    Psa 130:5 I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope. KJV

    Pro 30:5-6 ESV Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. (6) Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

    Psa 12:6 ASV The words of Jehovah are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, Purified seven times. (7) Thou wilt keep them, O Jehovah, Thou wilt preserve them from this generation for ever.

    Tit 1:9-10 KJV Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. (10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

    Tit 1:9-10 TR antexomenon tou kata thn didaxhn pistou logou ina dunatov h kai parakalein en th didaskalia th ugiainoush kai touv antilegontav elegxein (10) eisin gar polloi kai anupotaktoi mataiologoi kai frenapatai malista oi ek peritomhv
    1894 Scrivener
     
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    No one chooses to dispute this, I guess that means it must be the Truth! You asked for which versions are the very words of God with references and I provided.
     
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    Amen, Superdave!
     
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    The Truth is that God has blessed the KJV in ways that the MVs can only look at with envy.
     
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    The truth is that the KJV has had a four hundred year head start.

    In Christ,
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    Yea, it's just getting broken in good! :D
     
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    And, like the Model-T, a modern car by strict definition, it's fading into disuse as the language gap grows.
     
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    as far as the language goes...
    "man, that's bad!" does not mean it is not good.
    "man, you're cool!" does not mean he is not hot.
    "man, that rocks!" does not mean he is shaking.
    "man, that's wicked!" does not mean it's evil.

    Why are we trying to keep up with the times in our speech. Are we suggesting that the language gets better with age?!?

    The bible says to hold fast the form of sound words (2Timothy 1:13). The references above are not sound at all.

    SOUND, a. [L. sanus.]
    1. Entire; unbroken;
    5. Not broken or decayed; not defective; as a sound ship.
    6. Whole; entire; unhurt; unmutilated; as a sound body.
    8. Founded in truth; firm; strong; valid; solid; that cannot be overthrown or refuted; as sound reasoning; a sound argument; a sound objection; sound doctrine; sound principles.

    I wouldn't use a MV for much more than a door stop.

    -DeaconLew
     
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    I wouldn't use one for a door stop either. I'm too busy studying and believing it. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    DeaconLew, [​IMG]
     
  17. Bro Tony

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    That shows that you have no reverence for the Word of God. Shame on you. I have never heard this kind of disrespect to the Word of God except from the KJVO crowd. No MV user would or has ever said anything similar to this about the KJV, since I have been on this board.

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    How sad that you would treat the Word of God that way. :(

    AVL1984
     
  19. Johnv

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    God forbid!!! - the KJV (but not in the TR).
     

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