My Outline of Endtime Events for 2006 Study

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    I. PRE-ENDTIME EVENTS - Outline by Mel Miller

    1. Seal One being fulfilled - Victory/struggle.
    2. Leads to global rule; Babylon the Great.
    3. Daniel's 70th Seven - Covenant with Israel.
    4. Temple rebuilt while Babylon rules from Rome.

    II. MID-70th EVENTS - Begin 3½ Times; 1290 Days

    5. Ten destroy Rome by Fire; Transfer Jerusalem.
    6. Antichrist revealed as Ten Kings support him.
    7. Covenant of Daniel's 70th broken. Dan.12:11
    8. Satan Cast from heaven - 12:7-9; Dan.12:1
    9. Prophets begin 1260-day task; Kingdom Power!
    10. Seals Two thru Five. Peace taken from earth.

    III. ENDTIME EVENTS - 42 Months; 1260 Days

    11. Five Trumpets - Not same target as Plagues.
    12. Five Plagues - Directed at Beast Kingdom.
    13. Trump 6 and Plague 6 back to back. 11:14
    14. Beast kills Prophets. Armies at Armageddon.
    15. Prophets remain dead up to 3 1/2 days.
    #13 to 15 give false sense of "Peace, Safety."

    IV. LASTDAY - www.lastday.net and Centerpiece

    “Day One” of 1000-Year-Day 2 Pet.3:8,10,12.
    “Gegonen” Launches Day One - 16:17. Bowls 6 & 7 (16:12-17) empty before Seal 6 opens - 6:12-17

    A. Outer Concentric Path

    16. Plague 7 remains suspended until Trump 7.
    17. Signs of Seal 6 begin 1000-Yr-Day of Lord.
    18. Firstfruit to God/Lamb sealed and rescued.
    19. Warnings of doom across the sky. 14:6-11
    20. Wicked reaped to Winepress of great anger.
    21. G & W Sign; Songs of Martyrs & 144,000 Jews.

    B. Middle Concentric Path - Open Temple Drama

    22. 3-Act Temple Drama. 15:5; 7:9-8:5; 11:15-19
    23. Prophets arise to witness at Court. 8:1-5
    24. Great Quake kills 7000 tenth of Jerusalem.
    25. Act One - Praise God and Lamb. TESTIMONY
    26. Act Two - Court of Seal 7; Dan.7. TRIBUNAL
    27. Act Three - "God's wrath has come." TRIUMPH

    C. Inner Concentric Path - Transition 11:19
    2nd, 3rd Storm Scenes back to back- 11:19; 16:18

    28. Babylon falls by History's greatest quake.
    29. Apostles, Prophets, Saints rejoice. 18:20
    30. Saints prepare for Lamb's Wedding. 19:7-10
    31. Heaven Opens; Christ Descends with Saints.
    32. Tribes mourn between Mark 13:27; Matt.24:31

    D. Hour of Trial - Luke 21:35-36; Luke 17:31-37

    33. Christ treads winepress in anger + wrath.
    34. Begins ruling nations for 1000 years.
    35. All wicked destroyed; All Israel saved.
    36. Flashback to Martyrs sitting in Judgment.
    37. Globally, unrepentant perish. 16:18-21
    38. Beasts cast to Hell, Satan bound in Abyss.
    39. Retroactive reference to First Resurrection.
    40. Rule until 1000 years "should be finished."
    41. Satan released at end of “Day of Lord”.
    42. Battle of Gog and Magog. 20:7-9
    43. Satan cast to Hell. 20:10
    44. Heaven and Earth flee away. 20:11
    45. Sheep/Goat Nations separated. Goats to Hell.
    46. Great White Throne Judgment. 20:12-15
    47. Day of God; Creation New Heavens/Earth.
    48. Sheep inherit earthly kingdom. Matt.25:32-34
    49. Bring honor into NJ, healed-21:24-26;22:2,14
    50. Bride inhabits New Jerusalem. 21:2,9

    Two Perfect Participles in Revelation for #1096. One: "Gegonen"(16:17) launches Day One of 1000 Year-Day & 100 Lastday verses. Armies gather to Armageddon prior to Seal Six! "Blessings" of Dan.12:12; Rev.19:9; 20:6 anticipate Millennium.

    Two: "Gegonan" (21:6) launches New Heavens and Earth. “All things new” herald blessings of eternity; “Gegonen” (16:17) heralds Lastday!

    Teaching that the Day of the Lord includes Daniel’s 70th Seven is very misleading as it requires a 1007-Year-Day of the Lord! The OT
    “signs” of that Day are those of Seal Six and are placed by Jesus “on one day” immediately after great tribulation - Day He is revealed. Lk.17:24-30
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    Minor Changes to My Outline for Discussion:

    I. PRE-ENDTIME EVENTS - Outline by Mel Miller

    1. Seal One being fulfilled - Victory/Sruggle.
    2. Leads to global rule of Babylon the Great.
    3. Dan's 70th 7 begins - Covenant with Israel.
    4. Temple rebuilt while Babylon rules from Rome.
    [War of Ezekiel 38-39 in time of “peace”]

    II. MID-70th EVENTS - Begin 3½ Times; 1290 Days
    5. Ten destroy Rome/Fire; Transfer to Jerusalem.
    6. Antichrist revealed as Ten Kings support him.
    7. Covenant broken. Dan.12:11 (9:27)
    8. Satan Cast to earth - 12:7-9; Dan.12:1
    9. Prophets begin 1260-day task; Kingdom Power!
    10. Seal Two - Peace taken from the earth.

    III. ENDTIME EVENTS - 42 Months; 1260 Days

    11. Seals 3 to 5 and Five Trumpets Overlap
    12. Plagues 1-5 - Directed at Beast and Kingdom.
    13. Trump 6 and Plague 6 occur back to back 11:14
    14. Beast kills Prophets. Armies at Armageddon.
    15. Prophets remain dead as Armies invade Israel.
    [#13 to 15 = false sense of "Peace, Safety."]

    IV. LASTDAY - See www.lastday.net and Centerpiece

    “Day One” of 1000-Year-Day - 2 Pet.3:8,10,12.
    “Gegonen” heralds end of Age; Launches Day One - 16:17. Bowls 6-7
     
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    Continuation:


    (16:12-17) empty before Seal 6 opens - 6:12-17

    A. Outer Concentric Path - 40 Verses

    16. Plague 7 remains suspended until Trump 7.
    17. Signs of Seal 6 begin 1000-Yr-Day of Lord.
    18. Firstfruit to God/Lamb sealed and rescued.
    19. Warnings of doom across the sky. 14:6-11
    20. Wicked reaped to Winepress of great anger.
    21. G & W Sign; Songs of Martyrs/144,000 Jews.

    B. Middle Path - 22 Verses - Transition - 15:5

    22. 3-Act Temple Drama. 7:9-8:5; 11:15-19
    23. Prophets arise to witness at Court. 8:1-5
    24. Great Quake kills 7000 tenth of Jerusalem. 25. Act One - Praise God and Lamb. TESTIMONY
    26. Act Two - Court of Seal 7; Dan.7. TRIBUNAL
    27. Act Three - "God's wrath has come." TRIUMPH

    C. Inner Concentric Path - 38 Verses - Transition 11:19
    2nd, 3rd Storm Scenes back to back- 11:19; 16:18

    28. Babylon falls by History's greatest quake.
    29. Apostles, Prophets, Saints rejoice. 18:20
    30. Saints prepare for Lamb's Wedding. 19:7-10
    31. Heaven Opens; Christ Descends with Saints.
    32. Tribes mourn between Mark 13:27; Matt.24:31

    D. Hour of Trial - Luke 21:35-36; Luke 17:31-37
    Still Inner Concentric Path

    33. Christ treads winepress in anger + wrath.
    34. Begins ruling nations for 1000 years.
    35. All wicked destroyed; All Israel saved.
    36. Flashback to Martyrs sitting in Judgment.
    37. Globally, unrepentant perish. 16:18-21
    38. Beasts cast to Hell, Satan bound in Abyss.
    39. Retroactive reference to First Resurrection.

    V. POST-MIL EVENTS

    40. Satan released near end of “Day of Lord”.
    41. Satan deceives (Goat) nations.
    42. Battle of Gog and Magog. 20:7-9
    43. Satan cast to Hell. 20:10
    44. Heaven and Earth flee away. 20:11
    45. Sheep/Goat Nations separated. Goats to Hell.
    46. Great White Throne Judgment. 20:12-15
    47. Day of God; Creation New Heavens/Earth.
    48. Sheep inherit earthly kingdom. Matt.25:32-34
    49. Bring honor into NJ, healed-21:24-26;22:2,14
    50. Bride inhabits New Jerusalem. 21:2,9

    Two Perfect Participles in Revelation for #1096.
    One: "Gegonen"(16:17) launches Day One of 1000
    Year-Day & 100 Lastday verses. Armies gather to
    Armageddon prior to Seal Six! "Blessings" of Dan.
    12:12; Rev.19:9; 20:6 anticipate Millennium.

    Two: "Gegonan" (21:6) launches New Heavens and
    Earth. “All things new” herald blessings of eternity;
    “Gegonen”(16:17) heralds Lastday!

    Teaching the Day of the Lord includes Daniel’s 70th Seven very misleading as it requires a 1007-Year-Day of the Lord! O.T. “signs” of that Day are those of Seal Six and placed by Jesus “on one day” immediately after great tribulation - Day He is revealed; to destroy all the wicked.
    Matt.24:29; Lk.17:24-30 (So Rev.10:6-7). We “watch” until Armageddon; day Christ appears. 16:15.

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    I find what you are saying interesting. But I have one question,, you write:
    31. Heaven Opens; Christ Descends with Saints.
    Maybe I missed something, but where in your plan does He come FOR the saints? Pre? Mid? Post?
     
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    Happy New Year Watchman,

    The answer, IMO, is related to what happens
    when Christ descends and "gathers the elect".

    Jesus states He is coming "as a thief" in the context of the 6th Plague with the armies gathered to Armageddon. Those who "watch", He says, "will be blessed at keeping their expectation" of His imminent appearance in a
    heightened state of an "any-moment" reality.

    Jesus put a "dual" phase of expectation in the minds of the Apostles by distinguishing between
    "signs" of that DAY and the "hour" He appears!

    Even the 7 classes of unbelievers hiding in
    the mountains will acknowlege the DAY of God's
    (and of the Lamb's) wrath has come when they
    see the signs in the "sun, moon and stars".

    While Believers will "know His coming is near" (Matt.24:33; due to the killing of the
    Two Witnesses when the 1260 "countdown days"
    are finished; for "chronos time is no longer"), they will know the Day of the Lord will occur
    within 3 1/2 days of their deaths. Rev.10:6-7; Rev.11:7-12.

    On the day these Two Rise up, the 7th Trumpet
    will proclaim "God's wrath has come" because
    all Believers rise up on "the last day", Jno.
    6:40, DAY ONE of the 1000-Year-Day of the Lord.

    Knowing that DAY ONE has begun (the whole world
    will see the Two Prophets arise to heaven),
    Believers will also know Christ's coming is
    not only IMMIMENT; but will occur "any moment"!

    The timing of this Hour awaits the events from #22 to #32 for the OPEN Temple's Three-Act Drama from Rev.7:9 to Rev.8:5 and Rev.11:15-19. The Two Witnesses will join in TESTIMONY, TRIBUNAL and TRIUMPH in the presence of God and the Lamb that climaxes with the Christ's descent to gather the Elect "from the earth" before the Angels "gather them out of the 4 winds from all extremities of the heavenS".

    As a teenager in the thirties, before Israel
    even thought of returning to their land, I was taught by a Plymouth Brethren pastor that the Elect of Mark 13:27 are Jews who would one day
    be re-gathered to their land.

    That word "re-gathered" doesn't fit the context since Jesus said He will "gather the Elect from earth to heaven after the great tribulation". The tribes of earth will begin to "mourn" before the Angels complete the gathering. Matt.24:30-31. He also promised "any one willing to die, remembering Lot's wife, will be preserved (kept alive) ON THE DAY He is Revealed". Luke 17:33-33.

    Knowing He is coming "as a thief" while we are
    "blessed for watching" on DAY ONE of the "Day
    of the Lord" and that "all believers will rise
    up because it is also the last day" of this age,
    I changed my view to Post-Trib 60 years ago. As
    with me, you have many scriptures to consider.

    I happy to meet a "thinking" person.
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  6. Watchman

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    Thanks Mell. There are problems I see with the post trib position. The tribulation is a time of the pouring out of God's wrath upon the earth.
    The Lord saved Noah and his family from His judgement and wrath during the flood. He physically removed Lot from Sodom before His judgement and wrath was poured out there. But yet, in your scenario, the very Bride of Christ goes through this terrible time of judgement.
    The Lord spoke to seven churches in Revelation 2&3, but was that all there was to it? I have accepted the notion that He not only spoke to seven literal chuches then, but was also speaking to the church in general down through the church age. The end time Churches are represented by Laodicea (the false) and Philadelphia (the true).
    Revelation 3:10 said that Philadelphia will be be spared a time of testing that will effect the whole world. Now, if He spoke to Philadelphia as being only that literal church back then, how does this verse make sense?
     
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    Dear Fellow-Watchman,

    You have raised what seems to be 3 problems with my view.
    ONE: How can God allow His people to go through great tribulation if it is the time for His wrath when Paul taught that “WE (all the Saints who come WITH Him) are not appointed to His wrath”? TWO: How does God “physically remove us
    from the scene of wrath” as He did in Lot’s case? THREE: How does the Church at Philadelphia represent those who will
    be “kept from the HOUR of Trial”? Rev.3:10.

    I am thankful you seem to you agree Jesus was speaking to Believers “in general to the end of the age”; but I wonder if you agree the “end” includes ALL events of the great tribulation;
    for Jesus does not come to destroy the wicked AND rescue the Elect (Matt.24:31,39 and Luke 17:29-30 and Luke 21:27,36) until “one of the days” right after the great tribulation when, as
    John writes, “chronos-time shall be no longer”. Rev.10:6-7. The 7th Trumpet is “about to sound in the days right after they finish their 1260-day task”! The armies must be at Armageddon in
    order for God to destroy all the wicked on the same DAY Christ is revealed to rescue the Saints; and all who call on Him for mercy.
    (This last phrase is the least understood part of God’s plan).

    Question: “Is it possible the HOUR of Trial on all the inhabitants on all the face of all the earth” is the SAME hour in Luke 21:35 from which Believers who “keep His word to endure are kept”?
    Note that in Luke Jesus urges some who are left behind to “watch and pray to escape” the devastation of this HOUR and to stand before the Son of Man! Most everyone assumes those ho “pray
    (beg; Greek) to escape” are Believers who do so before the signs of that DAY occur in vs. 25; before men faint from fear in vs. 26 and before the Son of Man appears in vs. 27.

    For your answer, please consider that vs.34-36 and I Thess.5:1-3 are the only places that use the same words for the “suddenness” of Christ’s coming as a thief from which the wicked “cannot escape” . . . but that here Jesus urges those left behind to “keep praying to escape”!! This is not a contradiction, but shows God has others
    than the Elect in mind who have come “with Him” as of the HOUR of Trial. Rev.17:14 and Matt. 24:30 intersect Mark 13:27 and Matt.24:31, as well as Luke 17:30-33 with those who mourn,
    and are willing to die, being given a short time to repent!

    Jesus will have already “gathered the Elect from earth to heaven” even in Luke’s account and the ones who “pray to escape are the ones who mourn” in Matthew’s account and whom Paul says will
    be “shown mercy” in Rom.11:32-33. For at that time surely “all those who have overcome to the End will be kept from that hour” and the Martyrs will receive the highest possible reward of being given three names (Rev.3:12), including that of the New Jerusalem, and will “serve God in heaven’s Temple” for 1000 years before
    “all the wicked” are judged on the “Day of God”.

    Now, we know that “just as Lot was rescued on the same DAY the wicked were destroyed, so all the wicked will be destroyed on the SAME day Christ is revealed”. Luke 17:29-30. Jesus reveals
    the same thing in Matt.24:31, 39 and again in Luke 21:27,36.

    HOW MUCH TIME MUST PASS between the Signs of that Day and the HOUR Christ “gathers the Elect and those who keep begging to escape may hope to prevail and be kept alive” to fulfill
    Luke 17:30-33?

    Question: “How can we call the Plagues a time of anything but God’s anger (thumos) when it is still possible for men to repent” until the fifth Plague? Rev.16:9-11. Satan’s wrath takes over before God’s patience is exhausted in the Plagues. As a result, the Martyrs sing that God “manifested his righteous deeds” in the Plagues. The Temple opens for the TESTIMONY before God and the Lamb, for the TRIBUNAL of Seal 7 and the TRIUMPH of the 7th Trump . . .
    all before proclaiming “God’s wrath has come
    and the appointed time to judge the dead (requires the resurrection) and to reward the
    saints (requires the rapture) and to destroy earth’s destroyers”!

    The 7th Trumpet sounds on one of the (3½) days after the tribulation while the 7th Plague remains suspended in the air because God’s
    anger (thumos) does not fill the Cup of Wrath (Rev.14:10; orgay) until the last Plague empties (Rev.15:8) and the smoke of God’s glory and power clears the Temple from Rev.7:9 to Rev.8:5; Rev.11:15-19. Drama is launched retroactively at Rev.15:5.

    You show the possibility that the church at Philadelphia represents the Saints who will be “kept from wrath” and rightfully include
    those who “overcome to the end” and who will be rewarded by “serving God in the Temple of heaven day and night” for 1000 Years before the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven SINCE there will be “no temple, nor day and night in the New Jerusalem.” They will be “kept from the HOUR of Trial and still overcome to the End” (Rev.3:10-12) as required of all survivors who wish to
    “sit on thrones and reign on the earth” OR if Martyrs to “sit in judgment (Rev.20:4) and serve God in heaven day and night and reign with Christ for 1000 years”. Even while the Lamb shepherds them in heaven with blessings that are reserved for the Bride of the Lamb in eternity! Rev.7:15-17; Rev.20:4; Rev.21:1-3.

    Watchman, I see the message of Revelation for Overcomers; especially the Martyrs! As you wrote, “The end time Churches are represented by Laodicea (the false) and Philadelphia (the true). Philadelphia will be spared a time of testing (ONE HOUR that will effect the whole world”. And so this verse makes great sense
    for all who “keep the word to endure”!

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    I've found in prophetic studies that there
    are certain terms used which have different
    meanings in prophecy then we have in usual
    conversation.

    HOUR
    normal - 60 minute duration time period
    prophetic - the appropriate time

    DAY
    normal meanings:
    the 24-hour day at one place on earth
    the 48-hour day at ALL places on earth
    ---(example, 1 Jan 2006 began 38 hours ago at the international
    ---date line, and 20 hours ago here where I live; this 1 Jan 2006 will
    ---continue 4 more hours here and 10 more hours on the
    ---international date line; 1 Jan 2006 will continue for a total
    ---of 48 hours)
    the 12-hour day, the average period of daylight (or darkness)
    the 8-hour work day
    prophetic - the appropriate time

    Rev 10:6-7 (KJV1611 Edition):
    And sware by him that liueth for euermore, which created heauen, and the thinges that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the thinges that therein are, that time should be no more.
    7 But in the dayes of the voyce of the seuenth Angel, when he shall beginne to blow the trumpet, euen the mysterie of God shalbe finished, as he hath declared to his seruants the Prophets.

    The bolded phrase would be better said:
    there will be no more delay

    Verse 7 dictates that improved translation.
    There will be no more delay, the mystery of God shall be finished
    (the mystery God told his servants the Prophets).

    The Secular Greek False Philosophy that there is an ideal 'time'
    in the spirit world and a profane 'time' in the real world is
    A FOOLISH PHILOSOPHY (Colosians 2:8). 'Time' does not end, is the
    measure of change in the universe. The World can end,
    the Universe can end, time cannot end (well, i guess if God died,
    then time would end with Him, for God is the creator of time).
     
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    Brother Ed,

    I have always understood the HOUR to which
    Jesus refers concerns His Coming/Presence to:

    (1) Gather the elect and (2) To destroy all the wicked on the same solar day that He is revealed
    in glory and power . . . no matter at what hour He fulfills these two purposes on that "same day". No other explanation of Lk.17:29-30
    makes any sense. This is a 24-hour solar day.

    The Day of the Lord must include the HOUR of Trial coming unawares (suddenly) "on all the inhabitants on all the face of all the earth". The word in Luke 21:34-35 for His "sudden" coming like a thief (like a snare) is associated with what happens after He appears in Luke 21 and at His coming in I Thess.5:1-3 when "none can escape".

    Amazingly, Jesus allows that His own people will be rescued on the day of "no escape"!! This is
    what Paul calls the day of salvation for Israel.

    The usual interpretation is that the HOUR of Trial is the entire 70th Seven of Daniel's prophecy which has no refence to the suddenness of Christ's coming. The solar "DAYS after the known days of great tribulation" (which will be cut short from 1290 to 1260) must first reach the moment only God knows when the "last one who must be killed" brings Him/us to the events of the 7th Trumpet that occur as soon as Christ descends to carry them out.

    That Trumpet proclaims God's wrath "has come"
    AFTER there is no more delay because the time
    of the Tribulation ends "in the days it is
    about to sound". The unknown last day will be one of 3 1/2 days which are beyond the countdown of 1260 days so that "no one will know" in advance on which day the Last Trumpet sounds for the Feast of Tabernacles . . of Ingathering.

    But it must occur on the day/night of a "full
    moon" which again testifies that the DAY and
    the Hour belong to a solar DAY; not to a period
    of time . . . for "chronos (countdown) time
    ends in the days" before the 7th Trumpet sounds!

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    "IT IS DONE"

    Friends,

    How many of you have noticed that these words
    appear twice in the Book of Revelation?

    I believe the first time these words are heard,
    it signals the Lamb of God to open Seal Six for
    its Signs of the Last Day.

    If this is true, then the 7th Plague must empty
    in the air before the Events of that Day begin!

    Please note that MY OUTLINE Thread begins these
    events with the Voice, coming out of the Temple
    from the Throne, saying "It is Done" as soon as
    the Last Bowl empties Plague #7 into the air!!
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    Your listing of events sounds very detailed. As with most detailed prophetic interpretations, It "could be".
     
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    drfuss, Welcome,

    What a "refreshing" approach! I also liked the
    approach of the two who have responded so far
    to my "Study for the year 2006".

    You reveal an "open-mindedness": "could be"!
    You are searching for the "big picture"!

    I have had a direct response from just two
    people since 12/31/05. One shows concern as
    to where the Rapture takes place in My Outline.
    He struggles with points #22-32.

    The other good person struggles with whether the Day of the Lord includes the great tribulation. I had a separate thread on this question and only a few responded as it is a larger issue.

    The most divisive question on this board seems
    to be over #40-#50 and the question as to a
    "general resurrection" which obviates the need/
    possibility for the Pre-Millennial viewpoint.

    One "indirect" response, made on another thread, charges that I am "completely wrong on Endtime events". This is the approach by one who has determined he knows all since the early drafts
    of what Baptists believe seem to bar the "right
    to teach" to anyone who questions the doctrine
    of a "general resurrection".

    So, my friend, I selected the main point of
    difference on the Board (as to when DAY ONE
    begins) and have not yet received a counter-
    point from the one who seems to "know all".

    Please note my reference to this Point above
    under "IT IS DONE" and tell me if you think
    it "Could Be" as presented.

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    Mel:
    I noticed you mentioned the 144,000 Jews. Are these Jews located in Isreal? Why is the tribe of Dan missing?
     
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    drfuss,

    You could stimulate some keen discussion with
    this question: "Why is Dan missing"?

    I personally think the 144,000 are Jews whom
    the Lamb rescues from Mt. Zion in His first
    act following the opening of Seal Six to signal
    the start of DAY ONE of the 1000-Year-Day of the Lord! What occurs in their rescue *after* the
    great tribulation, and also recorded *after* the Beast's rule ends as of Rev.13:18, also occurs
    as soon as they have been sealed with His name.
    Rev.7:1-8; Rev.14:1-5. (Here the KJV does not
    give the info as in the NASB or NIV; Rev.14:1).

    Immediately *after* the 7 classes of humans hiding in the hills acknowledge the DAY of Wrath has begun (as 4 winds are held back long enough to seal the 144,000 with His name; having been already sealed by His Father's name), the Lamb proceeds to LITERALLY rescue the Jews on Mt. Zion as predicted by Joel 2:32.

    The fact that the Tribe of Dan is missing, IMO,
    is one of the strongest reasons to support the
    necessity for restoring both Houses of Judah
    and Israel at the head of the nations (for 1000 years) so that "all men will come to know the Lord, from the least to the greatest", a fact for fulfillment that is woefully lacking through the Church with less than 2 hundredths of one percent of Muslems saved in many lands and with persecution yet to increase to the point of millions of martyrs!!

    It is only after the FIRSTFRUIT "redeemed from earth, and from among men," have been taken to heaven "to present the Son of Man to the Ancient of Days" (Dan.7:13), on the Day of Wrath, that the Temple in Heaven will OPEN and the COURT of Seal 7 and Dan.7:22 will SIT in Judgment (with all the martyrs in attendance).

    As a result of that Judgment, the 7th Trumpet sounds: "God's wrath has come and the appointed time to judge the dead (requiring their resurrection) and to destroy the destroyers of earth" (requiring the rescue of the FIRSTFRUIT prior to Christ's descent to "gather the Elect from the earth"!

    DAN appears FIRST in the list of the original 12 Tribes restored to their original position as the recipients of the division of the land to fulfill God's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Ezek.48:1. The names of the gates of
    the city in the Millennium are the same as those in Genesis, Ezek.48:30-35 and Rev.21:12!

    God's blessing has been withheld from the Tribe
    of Dan (because of continual false worship by
    Dan and later by the Kings of the Ten Tribes) and it is reflected in the Scriptures over and over since the original division among the descendants of Dan who are conspicuouly absent from the list in First Chronicles.

    Too much data here to give scripture except
    in follow-up on any further questions.

    Sincerely, to one who shows such restrained discernment. I am guided by the resrtriction
    that "no one enters the Temple in heaven for
    the testimony of the tabernacle of testimony
    until the smoke of God's power and glory"
    clears the Temple *after* the last plague
    empties in the air. Rev.15:5-8.

    Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net
     
  15. Johnv

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    Your outline is interesting, but is, at best, speculative. No one knows the day or hour, not even Christ himself. If he cannot know, neither can we, nor should we pretent to.
     
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    Hi JohnV,

    A well-known observation; but, IMO, only if
    the text of Matt.24:36 is taken "in context"!

    If the text refers to what we "know now,"
    before the Endtime is known to have begun,
    then your observation is not "in context".

    The text for those whom Jesus instructs to:

    "Watch at every appointed time" (Luke
    21:36) is more explicit than the text in
    Matthew which also, in context, relates
    specifically to what "happens" on the
    "unknown" day Christ appears *after the
    great tribulation*!!

    Those who are watch "always", in Luke's
    account, refers to those who suddenly
    realize their "redemption and kingdom
    are near". Luke 21:28,31.

    The only context to which Matt.24:36
    can possibly refer, Jesus said, is "one
    of the days *after* the great tribulation"!
    That is the explicit context in which the
    final remnant of Jews will recognize the
    "Day of the Lord has come". The Elect,
    who are not stated in Luke as part of those
    who "know the End is near" much earlier
    than the Day on which Christ will appear,
    suddenly realize their "kingdom is near"!
    [I will accept any challenge to prove this].

    So, prior to that context, I agree with you
    that we should not "pretend to know what
    Jesus did not know".

    The more nearly correct viewpoint, I think,
    is that we will "know the End is Near"
    (Matt.24:33), as Jesus said, only when we
    "see the abomination sitting in the temple"
    and, more specifically, when we "see the
    signs of the DAY of God's and His wrath, DAY
    ONE of His glorious rule over all mankind for 1000 years.

    This is the Day toward which all the Martyrs
    in heaven will be looking to hear the Master
    say: "Well Done"; for they will know the End
    has come when the Two Witnesses join them in
    the OPEN TEMPLE in heaven!

    "No one can enter the Temple of the Tabernacle
    of the Testimony until the smoke of God's
    glory and power" clears the Temple *after* the
    last plague empties in the air". Rev.15:5-8.

    Thank you, John
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    Well, based on results, everyone that has attempted to make an outline of endtime events for any given year or era have ultilately been proven wrong. Just ask Hal Lindsey about that...
     
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    Johnv,

    Your first post, at 1:35 PM Wednesday, Jan.4,
    had to do with the "day and hour Christ comes"
    whereas your post today, Jan.5, at 1:04 PM,
    has to do with the "year" that He might come.

    People have assumed the Day of the Lord is a period of years that separate the Rapture Day from the Second Coming Day. My premise is that both occur on the "same 12-Hour-Day"!

    People are confused because Jesus was talking
    about "gathering the Elect together above on
    the same day He is revealed" to destroy the wicked.
    Luke 17:27-30; Luke 21:25-36; Mark 13:24-27; Matt.24:31,36,39.

    He taught that Believers will "know the End is
    Near". Matt.24:33. But the remnant of Jews who
    "mourn" when they see Him and who are not called the Elect in Luke's account, will "know their
    kingdom is near" only when they see the signs
    of the Day of God's wrath (after the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled) and see the signs
    of the Day He comes to "redeem" them. Luke 21:
    28,31.

    Then they will "keep begging to escape and to prevail in standing before the Son of Man...
    on the Day that comes suddenly, as a snare," on the entire world of unbelievers. Luke 21:35-36.

    Christ's statement that "no one knows the day or the hour" has been taken out of context and applied to a Pre-Trib day for the Rapture as if it and the Second Coming are two parts of the SAME "7-Year-Day" of the Lord.

    The signs of the Day of the Lord occur "after the great tribulation" as Jesus clearly taught.

    Therefore, the question of the "year" of the
    Second Coming and the "Day and Hour" of the
    Day of the Lord must be seen as referring to
    the same 12-Hour Day that inclues the Rapture.

    No one can expect to see that Day until the
    last Martyr has been killed and "all those
    out of the tribulation" enter the open
    Temple in heaven" for the Court to Sit in
    Judgment in Seal 7 and Dan.7:22 and the 7th
    Trumpet sounds that "God's wrath has come".

    "No one can enter the Temple until the last
    plague empties in the air, i.e., until the
    smoke of God's glory and power clears as of
    the last plague". Rev.15:5-8; Then Rev.7:9...

    Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net
     
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    Sorry, Mel Miller, but I stand by what I said earlier. To date, everyone that has attempted to make an outline of endtime events for any given year or era have ultilately been proven wrong. I suspect that the outline in this thread will likewise go that way.

    Meanwhile, we as Christians must keep busy being concerned with the first coming, and let the second coming be concerned with itself.
     
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    Johnv,

    My Outline makes no mention of dates.
    It concerns the order of events ONLY.

    Jesus spent a lot of time on questions
    regarding His second coming. It is fine
    if you wish to confine your time to the
    "first coming". You are being unjust to
    imply I am "wrong" about giving the date
    for the second coming.

    Respectfully, I wonder why you responded.
    Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net
     

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