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My real problem with the Ryan choice

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Aug 13, 2012.

  1. Walguy

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    History never PROVES anything. It simply indicates patterns, which may or may not be relevant to the present. Recent history indicates, as I've already pointed out, that VPs of successful 2 term presidents who run to succeed them do well. Since 1960 there have been 3. One was elected. and the other 2 narrowly lost. Gore actually won the popular vote. So only if you ignore any distinctions between past examples and paint everything with a general brush can you deduce that being a VP is necessarily a path to obscurity. And btw, Ryan is much more likeable person than Nixon, Bush 1 or Gore, and if Obama proves nothing else it's that likeability is indeed a factor in the voting decisions of some of the voters.

    I also think you are selling Ryan well short on his decision to run for VP. As one of Ryan's constituents for as long as he's been in Congress, I'm probably a bit more familiar with him than you or anyone else here. Remember that earlier in the year when he was being talked about as a possible VP candidate, he rather definitively said he wasn't interested, that he felt he could do more good in the House. Trust me, he wouldn't have changed his mind without being promised a prominent role in the Romney administration, far beyond breaking ties in the Senate. I think if Romney/Ryan are elected, Ryan will redefine the role of the VP as much as Dick Fosbury redefined the technique for high jumping. Paul Ryan is not the kind of man who would consent to being shuttled out of sight. I believe, to the contrary of your cynical view, that the choice of Ryan is a powerful message from Romney that he is, indeed, serious about changing things in Washington. Disagree if you wish, but I trust Ryan's character and will a lot more than your opinions.
     
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    Dick Cheney has already defined the role of an active and involved Vice President.

    Let's hope Ryan is just as visible and has the President's ear like Cheney did.

    We already know he is going to be someone the left loves to hate, like Cheney. That's a good start.
     
  3. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    History does prove some things. For one, the track record of vice-presidents who have been elected president without becoming president first is not great.

    Cynicism or realism? A good man on the cusp of relegation to obscurity or a good man on the cusp of great things? Sadly, unless he is defeated in November we have a long wait to find out. I doubt that I will even remember this little conversation by the time we know.
     
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    Fox had a report up yesterday about how the Democrats have praised Rep Ryan. Can't see it now - I'll have to look and see if they tucked it away some place.

    Ah! HERE it is
     
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    Sure have changed their tune.

    Now he's "extreme" and "radical".

    The smear campaigns started just as soon as he was announced. They're scared of him now, and hate him for it. The attacks will get worse.
     
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