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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Brother Adam, Feb 24, 2004.
There are no words
Did you go0 see the movie? No words?
I said the same thing last night Adam. When you are able, will you answer, with me, these unfounded and untrue remarks about the movie.
Bro. Ricky, it's not entertainment. You cannot just rush out of the theater and explain what you've experienced. Give him time to digest what he saw.
I am a bit saddened that the Word of God doesn't seem to have this same impact on us.
Me, too! Roger! Me, too!
I'm saddened also that the Word of God does not have an impact on the three of you. The Word of God has had an increadible impact on my life in ways I never knew possible in the past weeks.
Cute retort Brother Adam -
You have no concept of how the Word of God deals with my own heart. You know that what I meant was how rarely we read of people so moved by the Word of God that there are speechless?
It took a Hollywood movie to do this?!?!
The Word of God has often left me speechless.
Mel's movie also left me speechless. I had backsliden some, and through prayer, scripture reading, and even through viewing the film I've been brought closer to Christ. Yes, the film actually had an impact on me. I know that is hard to believe.
And the reason I know its hard for you to believe is because you still insist on calling it "a hollywood movie" when Hollywood overwhelmingly has rejected it along with the media.
Mel Gibson, a Catholic Christian, pulled out his pocket book to make a movie that he felt would have an impact on others to draw them closer to Christ. He didn't know if the movie was going to flop or be a hit. He didn't care it seems. He lost his distributor during production and it seemed that he would not be able to find another until a small independant company- Icon decided to pick the film up.
For those who have now seen it- Chuck Swindol, Graham, Diane, myself, others, we understand why it is not Hollywood, and it is not entertainment.
Your right, I don't know where your spiritual walk is other than that you said the Word of God was not having an affect on you. I took that at face value.
Others have. I wasn't really certain if he went to see the movie one day before it was available to the public. I can see that he was overwhelmed by the movie due to his lack of words though, and if I missed his saying he was on his way to see the movie, I apologize for that. So allow me to be human and capable of making a mistake.
No, he saw the movie last night and just posted that when he got home. I went to see the movie Monday night with my church. Local churches have bought out the theaters and have had showings here all week.
Like I've said, this is not entertainment. It's not something you can just easily share. It's a very personal experience.
I'm glad of the personal response then, Glory! Just maybe some more of these lost church members will be genuinely saved as the result! Wouldn't that just be fascinatingly GLORIOUS! Inexcelcis Deo!
A personal view of Calvary is exactly what every person on earth needs!
I can easily share the aspects of Calvary, it's what God has saved me for and called me to do!
This film will, praise God, have some good results...
THE PASSION reveals that:
1. The Word of God is all we need, not Hollywoodish movies, to lead others to Christ.
2. Nailing Jesus to the cross again, exposing Him to open shame (Hebrews 6:6) is NOT the way to evangelize.
3. Biblical accuracy really IS important in any sermon, film, discussion, witnessing, thinking about Jesus Christ, the Pantocrator (Ruler of All).
4. Brutal visual assaults on Jesus are not reverent, especially out of context, with no explanation of why He was hated, and with no big victorious celebration of His glorious Resurrection.
5. Extreme focus on the savagery directed against our Saviour is a favorite theme of those who worship the "other guy" in this universal spiritual warfare.
Thanks Mel "Lethal Spiritual Weapon" Gibson
If you say so Vaspers. I know your an expert on the film and biblical exgenesis
An interesting perspective from the point of view of a non-believer:
But the real problem with "The Passion" is that it is graphic beyond belief, and unrelenting. How anyone will be able to sit through this thing is the real mystery. There is blood, blood, everywhere. The violence toward Jesus is sadistic and grotesque. Basically, the entire second half of the film is spent watching Jesus endure physical torture never before seen in a movie. By the time it's done, actor James Caviezel's body is a map of bloody rivers and lakes with craters of flesh excised from his torso.
Is this disgusting? You bet. It's also puzzling, because what Gibson hasn't done in "The Passion" is explain his love of Christ or his own passion or devotion. We have no idea why Christ is so reviled by the Jews, what he's done to earn their anger, or what he's done to earn Gibson's respect. From the moment the film begins, Jesus is simply a target for unbridled, unrestrained bloodlust. Yes, we get to see the nails driven through him, blood spurting in every direction, skin being torn in the process.
Is there anything that's learned by witnessing this enactment? I wish I could say there was, but there isn't. It's simple brutality, with a hard rock music track playing in the background. I'm not sure that it's so different from Gibson's character dislocating his shoulder on purpose in one of the "Lethal Weapon" movies.
So here's the problem. Since we don't know who Jesus was before the day of his death, and since all we see are rabid packs of Jews in shawls who want him dead, followed by the long merciless death itself, what is Gibson's point? That Christ died for our sins? Or that he was murdered by crazy, vicious mobs who didn't understand him? My question is, How will the Hollywood cognoscenti respond to "The Passion"? Will they remain silent and hope it goes away? Or will someone speak out? There is no end of voices when it comes to sex and violence in mainstream movies. Where are those voices now?
One thing Satanic as definitely happened over this film - the body of Christ has found something else to divide over.
Hard Rock Music playing in the background? I missed that!
I too missed the Hard Rock music...and I have the soundtrack.
Again, an excellent work of art. Some people will always find something to complain about so they can bicker. You should see www.corruptchristianmusic.com as a prime example of this.