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My thoughts on salvation

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by mets65, Jan 22, 2011.

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  1. sag38

    sag38 Active Member

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    Mets, you simply dont know enough.

    Here, we go again. It's the "you're ignorant" argument.
     
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  2. annsni

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    Right David. Thank you for your thoughts on this. Since my husband was actually trained in our church with our pastors and pastors from other like churches on Long Island for his ordination, I'm sure that not only our pastors but the other pastors involved know his stance on this matter. :) He was not indoctrinated into this during this training but it is where he stood before it and it was confirmed during it. He is also well educated on the Arminian stance but from the study of the Word, believes that the doctrine of grace is the Biblically sound doctrine.
     
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    As a non cal, I will disagree with this statement. If you mean God has given everyone truth to feed off of in seeking Him, I agree. If you mean everyone will be presented with the exact same information, I disagree.

    Elect and believers go hand in hand.
     
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  4. annsni

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    Yes - but the choice will always be influenced by the nature of the person. As I stated, it is a true choice if we put a plate of pasta and a plate of shrimp in front of my daughter but since she hates shrimp with a passion and it makes her sick to her stomach, she will never choose it. Ever. In the same way, the choice for God will never happen in one who is an enemy until his heart is softened.
     
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    Any different than "self salvationist" or "man centered theology"?
     
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  6. annsni

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    Seriously? We're righteous enough to choose Him? Man, where do you find THAT in Scripture????? What a totally unbiblical statement!
     
    #106 annsni, Jan 24, 2011
  7. mets65

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    I do this same thing. I study daily and I always pray for guidance.

    John Calvin's teachings were the basis of the principles of Calvinism. That follows the definition of doctrine.
     
    #107 mets65, Jan 24, 2011
  8. annsni

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    I've heard this idea that election is based on God knowing who will believe in Him and I find that the most ridiculous idea ever. So if I was able to look ahead and see who in the future would be my friend, I will then choose to have them as a friend. ???? Really?? Makes NO sense - and absolutely is not based in Scripture.
     
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  9. annsni

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    You are righteous not based on your belief on this subject but you are righteous because of the blood of the Lamb covering your sins. However, you still need further sanctification. ;)
     
    #109 annsni, Jan 24, 2011
  10. Thinkingstuff

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    I thought he made himself available to all men that those, who in their unrighteousness, by accepting him are made righteous and thus become elect.
     
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    I said we aren't, I just asked if we are righteous enough to follow.
     
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    I was addressing met who said " If we aren't righteous enough to choose him how then can we be righteous enough to follow him?"

    He is saying that we are righteous before Christ. That is wrong.

    And I do not believe that we "become elect" but that we ARE elect and thus we receive His gift of life.
     
    #112 annsni, Jan 24, 2011
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    nope was a Semi Pelegian Catholic for 32 years. Then I was a Unbeliever until I was brought to my knees & was saved. I went to a Presbyterian Church who told me that I put my infant child in hell by my past life. That was far from prideful. But in my salvation I also knew God's mercy & His Justice so I argued with them & broke with them. I am fortunate that God in his infinite goodness brought me to Baptists who took pity on me & reinforced my belief that God is Mercy, on Mercy on Mercy....a loving savior. Ive been a Baptist ever since & was able to sort out good Reformed teaching from bad Reformed teaching. So thats the short version for you.
     
    #113 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 24, 2011
  14. annsni

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    The doctrine of grace existed before Calvin. He didn't invent the doctrine.
     
    #114 annsni, Jan 24, 2011
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    Hi Anna

    I am glad you can’t figure it out.
    We should not be expected to understand God’s Omniscience.

    But it is important, that we accept it.
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    That is, accept the Scripture, that I posted.
     
    #115 stilllearning, Jan 24, 2011
  16. Thinkingstuff

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    If you believe that
    Then by necessity you don't believe Jesus offered himself to and for all men. So you must also disagree with that part.
     
    #116 Thinkingstuff, Jan 24, 2011
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    I'm not so self righteous that I can say God chose me but not others, when I know I'm no better in my natural sinful state then anyone else.
     
    #117 mets65, Jan 24, 2011
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    Can I have her shrimp?
     
    #118 Earth Wind and Fire, Jan 24, 2011
  19. Thinkingstuff

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    Calvin insist that there is nothing about any elected person that makes them more "worthy" than a non elect - one of the doctrines of grace. However, if taken that view to its logical conclusion we get. Jesus did not die for the whole world but only the elect. And there is nothing with in the elects nature or works that merits favor for Gods election then reasonably those chosen by God must be so by some matter of radom selection otherwise there is something that merits the person for selection of election.
     
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  20. mets65

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    So which is it? It's either a lottery or He reviews our resume's
     
    #120 mets65, Jan 24, 2011
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