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  1. neal4christ

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    My wife cannot understand the KJV. When she reads it she does not fully comprehend what it is trying to say. There are passages where she has no clue as to what it is saying. I am asking mainly KJVOs (although others are welcome as well) what should be done in this situation. What is your assessment? How can we solve this?

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    You could try a parallel Bible, although they maybe expensive. The Bible isn’t written in the likeness of a modern novel, that’s for sure. My associate pastor recommends if we have a problem with a particular verse to re-read the verse as many times as possible. A good Bible study group at your local church would help immensely. I’m an IFB, but I’m actively involved in a Disciple I class at a Methodist church.

    Comparing the KJV with versions such as the NIV, NASB and the NWT, I’ve found that the facts surrounding the gospel of Jesus Christ and salvation remains somewhat intact. I have though found numerous disturbing contradictions and omissions, which IMO weakens, scripture. The Bible is that of a weapon in the hands of a Christian, see Hebrews 4:12 and II Timothy 3:16. The Holy Bible is also food that we Christians might grow properly. See I Peter 2:2.

    The above is why I choose to study, read and fellowship with the KJV. Be careful though which Bible she chooses to read some version can really get dangerously watered down.
     
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    Get a dictionary, doctrines books, Bible handbooks, commentaries and other books that will help your wife understand what the Bible said. Your wife is smarter than. :rolleyes:
     
  4. neal4christ

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    Is all this necessary to understand God's Word?

    And so you don't misconstrue what I posted, no, my wife is not dumb. But she is not the only one in this boat. I was a youth pastor for a while, and guess what, most of them could not understand the KJV. I have had them come to me and specifically say that. And we have a gentleman who is at least 55 years old who got a NKJV for Christmas. He said that for the first time in his life he understands the Bible and it has come alive to him. Yes, I think that it is possible to learn KJV English and do all this work to figure out what a verse says, but why should we force others to go through all this? Why set up yet another barrier to keep people from what God has to say?

    So what is the problem? Will you say that they are not sincere enough? Not saved? Don't pray enough? Silly? What is it?

    Neal

    P.S. I understand the KJV, at least most of it. I like it and grew up with it.
     
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    The KJV is written on a 12th grade reading level. The NKJV is written on an 8th grade reading level. The NIV if I remember correctly was written on a 6th grade level. I own a NKJV and will compare it with the KJV to help clarify difficult verses in my Bible studies. I have both a regular KJV reference edition as well as a Life Application KJV, which explains the verses as you read them. This may help your wife as well.
     
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    The NKJV is the version my wife actually uses and comprehends rather well. Thanks for your advice, John6:63! [​IMG]

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    No,read James 1:5 and put it to action.
    Also,1st Corinthians 2:9-13 too.
     
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    Okay, so you take the position that they are not praying hard enough, right? Even the sincere ones who have prayed many years, right? And these verses are specifically referring to understanding the KJV, right?

    And while you are at throwing out verses, my I recommend some to you? Galatians 5:22-23. I can't tell if you have read them from what I have seen you post on this website. I sure haven't seen much love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, meekness, or temperance from you. I have seen some faith from you, but the others are definitely lacking in what I have seen from you.

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    Also, before you start questioning others sincerity and faith in their prayer life, you might want to look over Matthew 7:1-5. It may help you not to be so quick to condemn others.

    Neal
     
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    Hey,you're the one who asked for advice friend,and Scripture was given.What you do with it is up to you!1st Corinthians 14:38.
     
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    Actually, I wasn't asking for advice. I was asking for input. I want to see how KJVOs explain this. It seems everyone has little faith compared to KJVOs, at least from their perspective and assessment.

    Neal
     
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    1st Corinthians 2:15!
     
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    Find a more accurate translation. Problem solved.
     
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    I teach in a public school, and I can assure you that the NKJV is not 8th grade level reading, nor is the NIV 6th grade level reading! The KJV is not able to be graded, since it is archaic text and takes special training to learn to read (like a foreign language).

    I did a funeral a few years ago with a local KJVO fellow, and he preached on the following text:

    1 Th 4:15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep."

    He held forth for 20 minutes over how we can't prevent the folks who have passed on from being resurrected, which is true, but that is NOT what the verse says in the original, or in 17th century English.
     
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    12 grade level? No! Look at a few books of the Bible:

    Genesis:
    KJV -- 5.10
    NKJV -- 5.52
    NIV -- 5.76

    Luke:
    KJV -- 5.55
    NKJV -- 6.37
    NIV -- 5.76

    John:
    KJV -- 4.79
    NKJV -- 5.40
    NIV -- 4.90

    3 John:
    KJV -- 4.60
    NKJV -- 5.33
    NIV -- 4.90

    Ruth:
    KJV -- 5.08
    NKJV -- 5.41
    NIV -- 5.53

    Psalm
    KJV -- 3.91
    NKJV -- 4.20
    NIV -- 3.99

    The lowest grade grade is best. Sorry, it is not 12 grade level.
     
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    Neal,

    I was going to PM you on this, but since you have received some rather sanctimonious replies, I wanted to interject something.

    I was the "equivalent" of an English minor [TomVols, I graduated from UTK!!], and even I struggle with Wiclif's translation, so I can empathize with her dilemna. Although the KJV (especially the AV) is quite possibly the most beautiful display of Early Modern English, many people today find the fluidity of the "thee's" and "thou's" somewhat perplexing.

    Commentaries are okay, but bear in mind that they are precisely that, and should be treated as such. I would suggest the NKJV, or perhaps the ESV. My wife loves her KJV, as she does not share my deep affection for Early Modern English. language.

    But of course you already knew all this, didn't you? ;)
     
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    Maybe I’m missing your point, but the KJV and the NKJV I have are translated in English. The KJV is compared to a 12 graded reading level, which I can understand, since so many have a difficult time reading.

    The purpose of the other versions, where to present the Bible in a more reader friendly fashion, so that one could better understand, since the Greek and Hebrew language has become more understandable, since 1611.
     
  18. Major B

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    Maybe I’m missing your point, but the KJV and the NKJV I have are translated in English. The KJV is compared to a 12 graded reading level, which I can understand, since so many have a difficult time reading.

    The purpose of the other versions, where to present the Bible in a more reader friendly fashion, so that one could better understand, since the Greek and Hebrew language has become more understandable, since 1611.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I would like to know what source you accessed that referred to the KJV as 12 grade, the NKJV as 8th, and the NIV as 6th. Again, the KJV is English, but it is NOT modern English, and is a foreign language for most people, including some people I've met who thought they could read it. I would be very surprised to find that the NKJV was as low as 8th grade or NIV as low as 6th. If this came from a valid educational source, I would just like to know what the source was.
     
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    Great answer. I am sure your KJVO pals are thrilled with this answer. When you can't understand God's word, you need to turn to man-made books. Classic. [​IMG]
     
  20. Daniel David

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    There you go, it is only getting better now. If you don't understand another language, you simply lack wisdom.

    Dr. Bob would be proud with this display of logic skills.
     

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