Nagging Question

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  1. Arbo

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    A question ocurred to me yesterday and has been nagging me since.

    Was Christ ever sick? Colds, flu, stomach bugs, that sort of thing. Scripture says that He was well acquainted with sorrows, but I'm not sure if illness would fit in with that. I know of no other place where It might be mentioned.

    I'm sure that the better theologically-educated will think this a stupid question, but I'd like to think that I'm not to proud to ask.

    Thanks.
     
  2. OldRegular

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    I believe he was subject to the same illnesses of His day. Scripture speaks of Him being tired. He needed food and sleep. I believe that in His human nature He was like us yet without sin!
     
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    Well, sweating blood has a couple of medical causes.
    If he could physically be affected by severe stress - enough to raise his blood pressure and sweat blood - then what would prevent other physical reactions?

    My understanding is that there are other medical conditions with the potential to cause sweat to contain blood.

    It makes sense that if he experienced being human and there is evidence that his body was capable of having drastic physical reactions to stress, that he reacted with discomfort when he fasted, that he felt pain and agony, then there is no reason to think he was incapable of coming down with common ailments.

    BTW, doesn't it make you wonder what they used to use for Kleenex and how often those got washed? Eeeewww....I think I like modern times!
     
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    I believe Christ was subject to all of our human experiences except death, which He suffered for our sins by His own willingness to go to the cross. None of us want to die, but all will, since we have all sinned. Sickness is not always caused by sin. In theory, if Christ had not been crucified, I do believe he would have lived for as long as He allowed, or as long as God's will permitted. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. So for all of us we will all die, whether if it is by sickness, accident, or our body just wearing out. It does state in Revelation, that there will be no sickness in our eternal state. Without knowing for sure, it could be that sickness is just a part of being here on earth, because everything on earth deteriorates since the fall.
     
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    was he physically like Adam before the fall?

    isn't sickness one of the results of the fall, upon sinners, so would he under that curse?

    Can God be sick?
     
  6. Arbo

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    I'm not sure if you are saying yes or no. It sounds like 'no'?
     
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    I believe Christ could have been sick because He was physically here on earth in a fallen state. (the earth, not Him). He just would not have died because He did not sin.
     
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    OldReg, Gina, Saturn- Each of you have made points that reinforce what I thought, though I had not considered the points that you made. I had thought that if God was to be physically fully man, he would have made himself subject to our ailments.

    My Jesus, how I love Thee...
     
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    Yea even understand he liked wine & a coffee and bagel with a little schmear in the morning....lox if you got them

    Surprisingly almost human...LOL
     
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    Good point. I (and I don't have my Bible handy for a reference) think of the time that he was weary of the crowds of people, seemed in need of rest, and wanted to cross the Sea of Galilea (?), I assume for rest. Apparently, he was subject to fatigue. I also think of the verse that describes him as a 'Man of sorrows', which tells me that He felt the weight of His purpose and was possibly depressive (I think ?).
     
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    Think he got tired and had to sleep /eat, was it EVER mentione dthat he was EVER sick at all?
     
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    Well, I do believe he made real wine during the Cana episode, but bagels and coffee?
     
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    Not that I know of. Thus the question.
     
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    Jesus must been deeply depressed when He wept over Jerusalem.
     
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    I cannot help but think that His thirty-odd years here were awful. It's humbling.
     
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    He probably actually was amazed at just what the real "human experience" is like, as though being with the father and also God, only had a "theoritical" awareness of that!

    Thankful that he did come, as we now have a High priest who really understands just how frail we are!
     
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    OK I will grant you that.....substitute it for some matzo ball soup & some celery soda (wonder if they had Dr. Browns at the time)? Oye....its heaven!

    Now did he keep the Sabbath?
     
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    yes, but in the way actually intended by God, as he was the Lord of the sabbath!
     
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    Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
    6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
    7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    As a man, Jesus could physically die (he DID physically die). Here the devil attempted to deceive Jesus into killing himself.

    Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
    29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
    30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

    Here, the folks in the synagogue attempted to kill Jesus, but Jesus escaped from them. God could not have ordained this, as it was not the proper time for Jesus to die, and Jesus would have thwarted his Father's own plans by escaping if God the Father ordained it.

    Jhn 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
    59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

    Again the Jews attempted to kill Jesus, but he escaped from them, God could not have ordained this either.

    Jesus could (and did) physically die. There is no reason to believe he could not get physically ill, though it is very probable that he was protected by God from serious illness. But Jesus could not do whatever, he could not have leaped off the temple unless he were commanded to do so by his Father. There is no protection offered to those who are presumptuous and take it upon themselves to tempt God, such as handling snakes.
     
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    Just a note on being "sick." What is the idea here. If we have an accident and bump our head, we have a "head ache." Is that being sick, when the body is damaged in some way? Jesus certainly could be damaged, beaten, and so was "sick to death" on the cross.

    What about viruses and germs that invade the body and cause it to malfunction, such as a tummy ache, or other digestive issues. To declare they could invade, or to declare Christ's immune system would thwart their attack without supporting scripture is simply speculation, and as we all know, speculation is the mother of false doctrine.
     

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