NAME IT AND CLAIM IT?

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  1. Mommyperson

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    I recently joined in a Bible study where a lot of name it and claim it stuff was going on.

    Can someone educate me as to where this all began? :confused:

    In prayer, they seemed to concentrate on TELLING the Lord(reminding Him)of the promises he made and then in my opinion demanded that God keep them..

    My first thought when I noticed what type of study I had gotten myself involved in was, a FIRE and BRIMSTONE type correction was headed in their direction..but realized how saddened I was at their ignorance.
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    Kenneth and Gloria Copeland cult. It is un Biblical and the spirit of Anti-Christ and you should leave that Bible Study immediately. And whatever you do, don't drink the juice.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  3. dianetavegia

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    http://www.watchman.org/cat95.htm#EvanChrist
     
  4. Watchman

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    Mommyperson, I must second what Joe just said: RUN, don't walk from this bunch!
     
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    What Watchman said is true!! Run, Mommyperson, run away-----faaaaaaaar away!!! Run and don't look back!!!!

    Get this----I was in Houston, TX with a deacon---I had traveled with him for his 4 month exam at MD Anderson---we were in the hotel and I happened to be watching Jessie Duplantis(part of the Name it, Claim it cult)

    Here's what Jesse said on the January 25th broadcast of TBN

    Follow the sceniro

    His wife and he were speaking in Chicago---they landed at the airport---a couple from the church met them and was taking them to the church they were to speak at---

    They pulled up to a red light---and while waiting a vehicle pulled up beside them

    A aqua blue Corvette--hard top

    Jesse makes the comment

    Man--that's a nice looking car! I would love to have a car just like that one---only I would want a convertable---same color---just a convertable!

    That was his comment

    They pulled in to the church--went inside and after a few minutes a member of the church approaches Jesse

    Brother Duplantis---God has told me to give you something---only you have to come with me outside to see what it is!

    Jesse goes outside to the church parking lot---and there sitting in one of the parking spaces was a brand new aqua blue Corvette convertable

    The man said--God told me to give this to you---its mine---only 150 miles---but God said for me to give it to you

    Jesse said he thought for a minute and then tells the Lord---

    Lord--I didn't think anybody was listenin' to what I was saying

    And the Lord said---Jesse, I heard you say it and then I had to do something about it---

    Must be nice, huh?????

    Run---don't stop runnin'---run away---far away from that crowd!!!

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  6. Rookiepastor

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    Run Mommy Run

    Stay around from them and pray for them. Find another study to attend.

    God Bless
     
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    I always had a feeling that Corvette owners were righteous, holy men of the cloth.

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    Get out of that study! That is unbiblcal and you do not want that influence on you. Some may disagree, but as a baptist you do not want to be joining with just anyone in bible studies, especially these kinds. Name it and claim it is not a christian doctrine, but a false doctrine,I am sure some people are very sincere in their belief, but they do not know or understand it is not true bible doctrines, and they draw in unsuspecting christians who don't know the difference yet.
    I agree, it is a demanding of God to do as they tell Him too.
     
  9. Mommyperson

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    Oh BROTHER! I've attended my first cult meeting?!
    Ok..I'm donning my Reeboks and running for my life..My belief actually.

    When I first saw where this study was going, I tried to correct the path, but was immediately told I was wrong..in my heart I knew something was way out of place.. and tried again to redirect towards Biblical truth,only to find myself back in the same spot.

    I knew coming here and asking would help me to SEE CLEARLY NOW..

    I am still looking for a church, only a lot more cautiously..
    Who'da thunk finding a church or a study group would be THIS HARD?
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    I have not heard of this either. Is this the same thing that Beth Moore and others teach about praying the Word back to God?

    Thanks!
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    I would. It took me two years to find a healthy, biblical, church in a highly populated area. Your best odds will be a Baptist church, and don't overlook the smaller ones.
     
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    No Beth Moore and Kay Arthur are godly examples of women teachers. NOT the same at all. Beth is a Baptist and will tell you up front that she is not a pastor... merely a teacher.
     
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    I like Beth Moore but have no use for Kay Arthur.

    Here's some basic info on Arthur's teachings.

    http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/arthur/
     
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    What does Beth Moore teach?

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    Beth Moore teaches women and is a Southern Baptist. We've used several of her books for ladies studies at our church. Here's her website with lots of info.

    http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/mainpage/0,1701,M%253D200394,00.html

    Women Reaching Women Training
    Women Reaching Women is not a program but a ministry. The focus is life-changing discipleship that leads women into a life that reflects Christ through their thoughts, words and actions. Women's Enrichment Ministry encourages women in spiritual growth, discipleship, evangelism, missions and prayer. At these training events, your entire team will be motivated, inspired and encouraged in their ministry to women.
     
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    Here is my only advice:

    RUN RUN RUN!
     
  17. donnA

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    God has already placed the answer in your heart, you just need confirmation.
     
  18. donnA

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    No, it isn't. They pray God's word, nothing wrong with praying scripture. What the name it and claim it teach is whatever you want you can have by claiming it is yours and God will gve it to you. Like, I can have a million dollars b y claiming it and there it si God will give it to me, you can cure cancer, get rid of a wart, pay your bills, and have that new car all in one prayer, and God has to give it to you.
    It really is a big difference. Beth Morre's is learning scripture, hiding them in your heart(memorizing), gaining strength. I don't think she would ever advocate demanding God do what she wants, as a matter of fact, I've seen her bow to what God wanterd even when it wasn't what she wanted, as we all learn, thats the best way, then see it was the best thing we could ever do, better then what we wanted.
    Anyway, you get the idea.
     
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    http://www.watchman.org/cat95.htm#EvanChrist </font>[/QUOTE]The biggest irony of the WoF movement "founders" is that both Kenyon and Hagin stated out as Baptist preachers. :rolleyes:
     
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    Here is a favorite prooftext of the
    WoF = word of Faith, and N&C (name it
    and claim it) crowd in context.

    1 Corinthians 3:21-23 (Geneva Bible):

    Therefore let no man reioyce in men:
    for all things are yours.
    22 Whether it be Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas,
    or the world, or life, or death:
    whether they be things present,
    or thinges to come, euen all are yours,
    23 And ye Christes, and Christ Gods.

    The part they like to say is "all things
    are yours".

    Look at the context. Example of "all
    things" are given:

    1. Paul
    2. Apolos
    3. Cephas (Peter)
    4. the world
    5. life
    6. death
    7. things present
    8. things future

    Humm... no mention of a fancier car
     

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