National Health Care: The Frugal Way to Die???

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  1. righteousdude2

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    One of the intentions of Obama Care is to turn Americans into frugal health care consumers by having them face the full costs of their medical decisions. This is a death warrant for millions of Americans, who will no longer be able to pay for their over inflated co-pays for health care!

    Millions of elderly Americans will have to choose between paying the mortgage, rent, utilities and food or continuing to receive the level of medical care they were receiving prior to the proposed tax cuts and new National Health Care Initative, in the name of "frugality."

    Should my employer chop the benefits of my current health plan, resulting in having to pay more for what I can barely afford now, then I too will be among those millions who will have to eliminate many of the doctor visits and prescriptions due to cost to me?

    Is this health care, or assisted suicide in the name of being frugal?

    Shalom,

    Pastor Paul :type:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101129/ap_on_bi_ge/us_employer_health_plans
     
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  2. KenH

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    People are still excited about "free" health care. :BangHead:

    Perhaps they haven't learned as yet that you get what you pay for...



    In examining some of the motivations for the health care bill, I'm having a difficult time figuring out why it is an "economic" decision and not one of actual national health. But, the way I see it, the impending disaster that is upon us is actually entitlements, including but not limited to Social Security, and the excrement will really hit the rotary air-moving device when the biggest portion of the Baby Boom generation finishes retiring in about 12 years or so. There simply are not enough paying/working people to take care of the HUGE debt that will hit at that point, so something has to give. That something will be to reduce the lifespan of a goodly number of people who are seen by liberal budget offices as a "drain on the economy." Hence, the health care bill that will effectively reduce the number of people drawing SS and other entitlements going into the future.

    We've seen this plan worked before in almost the exact same way. It was in pre 1944 Germany, when the plan was to eliminate the portions of society that did not contribute to building the most healthy, superior master race possible. No, we've not elected Nazis, and no we're not going to fire up the ovens, but the same core philosophy exists -- weed out of society the ones soaking up all the money so the rest of us can have some. I predict it ain't a gonna be pretty once everyone starts to realize just what has happened to us... Might end up reducing the population via the other good old fashioned way -- war. :tear:
     
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    Maybe God needs you all in Heaven more than he need me. Don't you all want to go to be with Jesus? Isn't Heaven the better place? Isn't "to die, gain?" Doesn't God keep a log of every sparrow that falls and every hair on your accumulated heads? (Hairs on my head don't require much band width.) Why is Christianity so two-faced?
     
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    Your argument exacty proves the point of the O/P.

    The administration's message to seniors: Quit complaining, shut up and die quietly.

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    I am this close - to being forced to drop my health care altogether basically because I can't afford it----I'll keep a policy for my wife and my kids are on Alabama's ALKids until 19th birthday---but it may come to the point where I go to the doctor with some sort of ailment and he says I need quad bypass or some sort of radical cancer surgery---well---mercy---I'll just have to go home and die

    But you know what??

    The Bible teaches --- whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's!!! Amen??
     
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    We need national single-payer healthcare NOW. Maybe if we elect real progressives, unlike Barack Obama, we will get that. Ralph Nader 2012? Maybe. He'd be a much better President than Obama.
     
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    Why?

    You're just like Obama. You want to cram it down the throats of the over 60% of the population that disagree with the both of you. He tried and couldn't get it done. No other socialist elitest will do any better.
     
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    Good plan. Then, instead of many losing good health plans, we can all lose good health plans, and be treated to DMV-type customer service by people who cannot be fired, and have no incentive to be helpful, courteous, or professional.

    Great idea. :rolleyes:
     
  11. carpro

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    Socialism personnified.

    Equal misery for all.
     
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    Obama didn't even try! I doubt I'll vote for that clown in 2012. I know you like to throw around the word "socialist" as a curse word. I'm actually a social democrat, not a full-blown socialist. I would prefer a socialist to Obama. Bernie Sanders for President? I'd vote for him.

    Nope. You could see the same private doctors you see now.
     
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    If enough folks think like you, our country ceases to exist in a generation.

    What stunning ignorance you show. I see doctors that work for themselves, not government doctors. And most doctors will retire under such a system. What sane person, after working for himself, would work for a TSA-type bureacrat?
     
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    What do you want me to do, kill myself? :rolleyes:

    The doctors would still be self-employed under single-payer. They'd just be paid by the government. That would be better than them being under control of big insurance. Our government is elected democratically. That would put the people in charge of healthcare.
     
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    Quit being melodramatic. My point is, socialism will kill what this country stands for. Don't kill yourself. Re-educate yourself.

    Thanks for making my point for me.

    Doctors have no desire to be managed by government red tape. Try dealing with the government sometime...you'll find (if you're intellectually honest about it) that their infurating web of bureaucracy, confusing policies, and inconsistent rules/enforcement makes things difficult. Compound that with government employees on a power kick that cannot be fired and will not be reformed, and you've got a huge problem.

    Doctors I know are not under the control of insurance. Yes, there are some that have to over-test and such--but that's thanks to the over-litigious nature of our country. It's nothing like what we'll see.

    Remember...what you're asking for is for the same people that run our DMV's, the jokes known as veteran's hospitals (look up what a mess Walter Reed Army Medical Center is), the TSA, twin brothers Janet Reno and Napolitano, "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie,"---need I go on?---You want these folks to run our healthcare???

    You obviously haven't heard of czars, political appointees, affirmative action, government unions, and red tape.

    Oh...and show me one thing that government does better than private industry. Thanks.
     
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    If ignorance were terminal, you wouldn't have to even consider it. :thumbs:
     
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    Nope, that option's off the table. I know my death would bring you great pleasure, but odds are strong I'll outlive you.
     
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    I have to consciously push my jaw back up to close my mouth after reading some of these posts.

    There are a couple posters here that must be dangerous to have driving a vehicle. I know that those blinders they wear must eliminate all but the smallest tunnel to see through.

    If we do not stop Obamacare, we are going to lose many thousands of doctors in this country. Many of them are NOT going to accept the paychecks allotted to them by this government. Many already do not accept medicare patients now, as they cannot afford to own their own practices and pay their bills on what our government allows them to charge for procedures. The other doctos who do accept medicare patients have to raise the rates they charge everyone else in order to make ends meet.

    Not only is Obamacare going to not provide medical care due to shortages of doctors and long waiting lines, most of us are going to see our taxes jump by large amounts to penalize us for having jobs where medical benefits exist.

    Really, huge, huge blinders!
     
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    I can't really comment on the American situation, and I have no idea what a DMV is, but I can say that I have been treated by National Health doctors all my life, and as yet, (I'm 61 now :)) I have not come across any doctors or nurses who have been unkind, discourteous, or unprofessional.

    And why should it be assumed that practioners in a National Health Service "cannot be fired"? That is certainly not the case here in the UK.
     
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    True, we are the Lord's and for that reason I cannot put my stamp of approval on legalized eugenics for anyone young or old.

    Or from the cradle (if we make it to the cradle) to the grave (from a hospice) government.

    Yes, I am the Lord's and He has made me a citizen of a government that in it's inception was for the people by the people and of the people with freedom of speech, power of redress of grievance and voting power (among other rights which He has graciously provided me for which I am exceedingly thankful).

    I intend to use all of these God given unalienable rights for the benefit of myself and others and will not go quietly into the night.


    HankD
     

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