National Health Care: The Frugal Way to Die???

Government unions, affirmative action, and plain old partisanship means a government worker just about has to commit a felony to get fired in many US locales.

 

Of course, you also likely believe that we will be spending "government money" to pay for this scheme that will only build more government bureaucracy.

But, where does the government get their money? Of course... Taxes. Who pays taxes? WORKING Americans!

I'm not sure about you, but my tax rate is already almost 60% of my income. No, not my federal rate, I'm not in that bracket. But, when I figure ALL the taxes I'm paying, from Social Security, Medicare, income tax, state tax, local tax, sales tax, vehicle tax, school, property, etc., etc., etc., I'm there. I simply cannot afford to keep working to support everyone else that isn't anymore.

I'll gladly follow the Lord's admonition to take care of the widows and orphans, and to help a brother or sister in need, but I R.E.F.U.S.E. to be held hostage by our government who wishes to take my hard-earned paycheck away from me to give to the person down the street who sits at home on his or her "blessed assurance" watching Oprah all day long.

 

Why is it always a national plan this is needed. You'd hear no objection from me if you were fighting for a state based single-payer system. In fact, I wouldn't have a problem with a lot of the liberal federal programs if they were practiced at the state level.

Give the states back their rights. Let the voters in individual states determine issues like a single-payer system, how education works, etc. Then, let the citizens vote with their feet. What higher taxes and a single-payer system? Well, live in State A. Want lower taxes and private health insurance? Live in State B.

 

Young idealistic ignorant liberals haven't learned nothing is free, especially whan it comes from big brother.

They're afraid to face life on their own and earn their own way. They look to big brother to keep them safe and secure, and healthy and happy.

Or they move back in with their parents for a security blanket. It's more and more common. They're too inexperienced to know that the reason they have a hard time on their own is government, so they look to the ravening wolf that causes their fear to keep them safe at the same time.

 

I'd support a state based single-payer plan. Some had proposed allowing states to choose single-payer under the new healthcare law, but Republicans and corporate sell-out Democrats wouldn't allow it. A state going single-payer without federal blessing raises constitutional issues. The Commerce Clause gives Congress plenary authority to regulate interstate commerce, and a state going single-payer and banning private insurance would affect interstate commerce.

 

Forget 101...he skipped "remedial government 99."

Wow. Stunning 10th Amendment ignorance shown.

 

The Tenth Amendment is a truism. It adds nothing of substance to the Constitution. The federal government has only the powers delegated to it by the Constitution, and that would be the case even if it was never added to the Constitution.

 

It seems to me that we have had states that adopted their own version of public healthcare. In those states, the system was bankrupted right away.

Those states found out for themselves what happens when healthcare is "free." At that point, nobody any longer wants to pay for it, and they immediately find themselves with nobody paying and eveyone standing in line for their "free healthcare."

A state having their own healthcare is a basic right of the state. The federal government has zero authority in it, but those who want the big Nanny to run everything try to twist and turn the words to make it a mandate for Obama.

 

Wow. So parts we don't like are frivolous "truisms?" This would be convenient for folks who wanted to re-institute slavery.

This is one of the most laughable posts I've seen you make. I'll say this: Nothing makes my point like someone posting, "Oh, but that Constitutional Amendment doesn't really count." Kind of opens everything up to your own personal (il)logic.

 

You have to forgive him. All he knows about the Constitution was taught to him by by liberal law professors.

It's no wonder attorneys are held in such low esteem compared to 50 years ago. They're not taught reverance for the Constitution anymore. They're indoctrinated into how to use it and abuse it to accomplish their liberal ideas.

 

Aw, come on... Deep down, attorneys are great! Six feet is a good start. :smilewinkgrin:

 

I didn't say it doesn't really count. It merely makes explicit what is already implicit in the Constitution. Do you not agree that even without the Tenth Amendment, the federal government would only have the power delegated by the Constitution?

 

One might assume so, but we all know that if something - even an obvious something - is written down on paper, it is not as easy to ignore. The Tenth Amendment has successfully been ignored for years, even though it was spelled out. Can you imagine where we'd be if it had not been listed?

 

No, because people like yourself co-opt things like the "commerce clause" to take over and rule all aspects of our lives, rob our freedoms, and relegate states to non-entities.

Without the Tenth Amendment, I'm not sure states would exist. We'd all be in the People's Republic of New Yorkifornia, or some nonsense like that.

 

...except I don't want to do that.

 

um, yes you do. You use it as a catch-all for government meddling, interference, and trampling of liberty.

Example: Healthcare.

'Nuff said.

 

>Originally Posted by Paul3144
...The Commerce Clause gives Congress plenary authority to regulate interstate commerce, and a state going single-payer and banning private insurance would affect interstate commerce.

TRUE!!!!!!

You True Believers read the Constitution and the Laws the Same way you read the Bible: If the sentence supports your cause it is written in plain English for all to understand. If not, God's ways are higher than our ways."