Greetings board! This conversation is for those of us who ascribe to the doctrine of Perseverance of the Saints, or OSAS. I want to give you the testimony of a young man (he's about 32 I believe) and his experience with Jesus Christ. I know this man well, for he is my Nephew. He was churched (mostly Baptist) from an infant up, and at age six he calls upon Jesus Christ to be His Lord and Savior. He goes to church, Sunday school, youth nights. As a young teen he encounters a youth evangelist at an event who convinces him (by the sermon) he is not really saved, so he once again goes forward and calls upon Jesus Christ to be his Lord and Savior. He continues on with SS, church, youth events (not forced mind you, he loves going to church events). He loves being part of the youth and all the events and such. He graduates high school, heads off to college, Liberty University, attends for about a year and a half and drops out. Don't remember what he was studying there for but he decided he no longer wanted to be there and was going to join the Air Force. He spends four years in the Air Force and decides this is not going to be his career, so he leaves the Air Force and gets a job as a bouncer at a bar. Yes, you say what? This fine Christian boy working in a bar? His family was all puzzled as well. He moves from bouncer to bar tender and waiting tables. We prayed, thought it was a "phase" that he needed to work through, but it gets worse. One day at a family camp picnic he decides to confess that he no longer believes there is a God and has felt this way ever since leaving Liberty College years ago, he kept it a secret from us, knowing we all would be very disturbed upon hearing this, his father and mother were in tears and to this day are heart broken for he has not repented of his position. He claims to be an Atheist, and has been now for about ten years, living a life of sin and left-wing liberalism with his ungodly bar friends. He claims he believes Evolution to be a far better answer than an invisible God. Since all of this revelation came to light concerning my Nephew I have had many in depth conversations and debates with him on this issue, yet he remains in an antichrist state of mind. So here is my question, is he saved? Now this is for the OSAS camp to deal with, we already know what the other camp believes. Before you are quick to answer "he was never saved to begin with" remember his testimony, how he desired to be saved and called upon the Lord Jesus willingly. I know some Calvinist who have told me that nobody comes kicking and screaming to Jesus Christ, they come willingly and wanting, as my Nephew did.