Need Enlightenment on Scripture.

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  1. SAVED4LIFE

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    Ok, I hope this makes sense. My sister-n-law told me that since our bodies are the Temple of God, and when we are married, our flesh becomes one, and if a part of your body offends you, to cut if off, then it's ok for me to divorce my husband because we are one flesh, and he is offending me......I think this sounds a little far-fetched.

    Any opinions?
     
  2. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SAVED4LIFE:
    Ok, I hope this makes sense. My sister-n-law told me that since our bodies are the Temple of God, and when we are married, our flesh becomes one, and if a part of your body offends you, to cut if off, then it's ok for me to divorce my husband because we are one flesh, and he is offending me......I think this sounds a little far-fetched.

    Any opinions?
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    WACKO is more like it. It is simply a self-justification for sin. Why stop at divorce? Scripture also says if the eye offends cut it out - murder would be much more efficient, following this misguided logic!
     
  3. Brian

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    Yep load up the ol' twice barrel and take care of thangs! :D :rolleyes:
     
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    Thats about as far from being right as you can get.
    In other words, it's totally wrong. You can't reason out when is it ok to sin, how can I get by on this. That in it's self is sin I believe.
     
  5. SAVED4LIFE

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    THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I was like, huh?????? Never heard such a thing in my life! I was talking to her about my husband and how the bible says God hates divorce and the only "reason" to divorce is adultrey. So she came up with that.....I told her that sounded like a stretch.....a big stretch and I think she got a little miffed. I mean, I'm new at being a Christian, but I think some things are common sense!
     
  6. Brian

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    If I remember right the only other reason for divorce is in a situation where one partner is a believer and the other isn't and the believer gets left because of the belief. And even then I think the context was that the believer wasn't obligated to go after the unbelieving partner.
     
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    The only reason for divorce is adultery? Where do you get that?

    I know that Jesus said something about “putting away” for the cause of “fornication” but that talking about when two people are engaged (like Joseph was going to put away Mary, because he thought she had committed fornication).
     
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    Larry, Jesus makes it clear that divorce is permitted (but never the goal) if sexual immorality occurs (Matthew 6). And Paul adds to this another allowable reason - abandonment by an unsaved spouse (I Cor).

    The WORLD adds to that list as did the Jews of old. But God HATES divorce and it is to be a rare exception to the one-man/one-woman policy God started back in Eden.

    Lots of good threads on "divorce" here and in Baptist theology. Do a SEARCH and then join in one. We DON'T need another here!!
     
  9. Larry

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    I think you intended to say Matthew 5:32 not Matthew 6. :)

    It’s not; likely that you and I will see eye to eye on this because the King James says fornication, not sexual immorality. Folks who are married can not commit fornication (sex outside of marriage) thy commit adultery.


    As for “Do a SEARCH and then join in one. We DON'T need another here!!” was that directed towards SAVED4LIFE (who started this post) or is it directed towards me? I read where you said that you have no respect for King James Bible only believers, is this part of that?
     
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    I've heard some good excuses, but THAT one... [​IMG]

    Let's talk about what Jesus meant when he was referring to cutting off a hand or taking out an eye. These are things which were very well understood at the time but which are missed a lot today, I think.

    If you look at the way the Jews of that time discussed things, you will see time and again in the parables, in the discussions -- all the way through -- that spiritual things are often discussed in physical terms. When Nicodemus asked Jesus "can a person enter again into the mother's womb" regarding being born again, both Nicodemus and Jesus knew that this was not the real point and so that was never discussed. But it was the physical picture Nicodemus understood about the 'born again' problem -- can one start all over again? And Jesus approached that.

    This discussion by Jesus in Matthew 18 goes along the same lines. In Hebrew culture, the hand was the symbol of strength of a person. The right hand was the greatest strength, and thus Jesus is sitting at the 'right hand' of God. The foot was the action of a man, what he did and where he went. The eye was the understanding of a man.

    We have very similar usages in English today. "Don't go there..." in a conversation is not a warning about you actually 'going' someplace, but an idiom for dealing with a certain subject. "Give me a hand, will you?" is another idiomatic phrase indicating the person needs your help, your strength. And the very common expression, "Do you see?" is exactly the same in the Hebrew culture -- "Do you understand?"

    So what Jesus was saying in terms of these idioms is that if some area of strength in your life is causing you to sin, get rid of it -- abandon it. If your talent is music, and yet you find yourself drawn over and over again to the kind of music which is not honoring God, forget that talent -- at least for now. God is more important.

    If you are doing something in your work or normal life which is getting in the way of your relationship with God, get rid of it. Withdraw from it.

    And if you think you 'understand' something, but that something is denying the Biblical truth, get rid of that 'understanding'!

    Note that Jesus said 'if' one of these things causes you to sin. You can be talented, doing many things, and intellectually gifted and none of these things might be getting in the way. They may have all been given into Christ's total control. That is wonderful.

    But, for most of us, some of the things we are most proud of and most skilled at really do get in the way. Then which do we choose? Jesus said it is better to enter life without one of these things than to be condemned to hell.

    The other way of looking at this is from the more 'negative' side. How on earth can a hand, or a foot, or an eye 'cause' you to sin? They can't. They are under the control of your mind and heart. So it is the expressions of the mind and heart Jesus must be referring to here.

    And, as every other person has stated, this is not a commentary on marriage.

    But, as one last thought -- and asking for comments from my Christian brothers and sisters -- suppose a husband was literally causing a wife to sin? Suppose a wife was causing a husband to sin? This could be in terms of cheating on income tax forms and both having to sign it, or something like that.

    What then?
     
  11. SAVED4LIFE

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    Dr. Bob,

    Forgive me please, but I was under the assumption that this message board was for people to "post" thier own individual questions, etc. if they feel the need to do so. For you to reply to the thread I started with such a sarcastic and down right mean response makes me wonder why you are here in the first place. I wanted help with a unique question of my own. I really don't think it is practical for you to "suggest" I read through months/years or whatever of OTHER peoples posts and questions and comments that do not answer my own question. I really felt your response was rude and unwarranted.

    I will continue to post my questions and topics and hope that others will help me with my questions and concerns. I am a new Christian and need a lot of help and I have a lot of questions. I do read the other posts, and if one comes along that I can relate to I will, but some of us havent' been on this BB as long as you and haven't discussed some of these topics before.
     
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    I will speak from experience as I've been down this road. My wife and I who are both Christians and are still married after 28 years have had our reasons to leave each other. Now all of you can say what you want but the fact of the matter is the Lord kept us together.
    She is my first and only wife as I am her first and only husband. It's true marriage gets tough sometimes but there are so many people looking for an excuse to leave anyway.
    People get married for a while and then because of some circumstance that life dealt them feel they would be better off without their first love.
    Why did Moses give them a letter of divorcement because of the hardness of their hearts. Are we any better? No! The problem with people is they want to dissolve a marriage instead of work it out. Go to the Lord in prayer... To the throne of grace prostrate before our God.
    We don't know what brought about the problems in that marriage but having been down that road work it out and to me that's the biblical thing to do. Jesus Christ has done so much for us and aren't we admonished to restore a brother and not think of ourselves above our kindred. I hope this helps... Brother Glen [​IMG]

    [ December 07, 2001: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]
     
  13. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SAVED4LIFE:
    Dr. Bob,

    Forgive me please, but I was under the assumption that this message board was for people to "post" thier own individual questions, etc. if they feel the need to do so.
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    S4L:

    It is. I think you overreacted.

    First, Dr. Bob's response was directed to Larry. Secondly, note his cool smiley face at the top. And I think DB was hoping that the thread did not divert into a pro/con biblical divorce debate.

    You are new here, and you need to get to know that some personalities are good-natured while being occassionally sarcastic.

    ;)
     
  14. Kathy

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    I agree with Chris! I laughed at what Dr. Bob wrote as I do so often. I don't find him offensive in the least...when I see a post from him, I prepare myself and get ready to giggle!

    Kathy
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  15. SAVED4LIFE

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    Yes, I did overreact....sorry Dr. Bob. I've been overreacting to almost every one and everything lately. It's a constant battle daily trying to sort out my thoughts, what should I do, when is God going to answer my prayers, what is wrong with my husband and on and on and on. Sorry if I offended you Dr. Bob, but from what I've read, I guess you don't get offended as easily as I do......How bout instead of another Divorce Thread, you all just pray for my marriage....Thank you. [​IMG]
     
  16. Kathy

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    I'm praying for you Saved!

    Kathy
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