Neo-orthodox

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by evangelist6589, Jul 28, 2014.

  1. evangelist6589

    evangelist6589
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    8,369
    Likes Received:
    105
    Yesterday by Gods providence I by accident sat next to a group of united Methodist missionaries at the airport. Got into a chat with one of them and their def of evangelism is to love people, do good works, and live good lives as what they did on their missions trip. I asked her to read Mark 16:15 and challenged her with the example of Jesus, John the Baptist and such whom preached repentance from sin and Christ whom spoke often on Hell. What I said did not sink in but my question on how they were any different than unbelievers whom did the same silenced her and she had no response. The social gospel can't be orthodox.

    I believe the united Methodist to be neo-orthodox. What's your understanding of the term? They may look to be Arminian but no Arminian could hold to such theology as Arminian are orthodox.
     
  2. InTheLight

    InTheLight
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    16,250
    Likes Received:
    619
    What?


    Please show me where John the Baptist preached repentance to Gentiles. Then show me where Jesus spoke about Hell in the context of someone becoming a believer.


    Unbelievers go on mission trips? News to me.


    Neo-orthodoxy means "new orthodoxy". Historically speaking it means a return to belief in the Bible as the only valid revelation of God and a rejection of a person's experience as being revelatory. It was a backlash against the liberal Protestantism of the late 19th century. I have no idea what it means nowadays.
     
  3. evangelist6589

    evangelist6589
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    8,369
    Likes Received:
    105

    Plenty of unbelievers go on missions trips!! Do you think jw's and Mormons do nothing all year round? Okay John the Baptist preached repentance to the Jews but that's hrs context of where he lived and he would have done the same to Gentiles for they are all unbelievers.
     
  4. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,406
    Likes Received:
    99
    I'm definitely interested in seeing how the OP defines this neo-orthodoxy.

    Because it isn't Arminianism.
     
  5. padredurand

    padredurand
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2004
    Messages:
    4,384
    Likes Received:
    20
    Your first mistake was to assume there was anything evangelistic about United Methodist missions. It's not even on their radar.
     
  6. Jerome

    Jerome
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2006
    Messages:
    5,629
    Likes Received:
    45
  7. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    17,097
    Likes Received:
    49
    Usually meant how one views the scriptures, as they would not hold them to be the very word of God as inerrant/inspired, but becomes such to us when the Holy Spirit "makes them come alive"

    That opens up the can of worms as to whose interpratation is the right one, since not absolute truth when written down to us!
     
  8. Rippon

    Rippon
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2005
    Messages:
    17,404
    Likes Received:
    328
    As ITL pointed out, "by God's providence" and "by accident" are antithetical. Which concept do you believe in?

    You've returned to your bad whom habit.
     
  9. go2church

    go2church
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2002
    Messages:
    4,304
    Likes Received:
    6
    Mr. Dictionary must be on vacation along with Señor Logic
     
  10. JamesL

    JamesL
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2013
    Messages:
    2,247
    Likes Received:
    76
  11. InTheLight

    InTheLight
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2010
    Messages:
    16,250
    Likes Received:
    619
  12. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,406
    Likes Received:
    99
    It's not too far off, though missing nuance. Of course its easy to identify Barth and Brunner and ignore everyone else. The discussion of inspiration is off, but that's usually normal with these things.

    If you're interested in neo-orthodoxy, I'd encourage folks to check out the Evangelical Dictionary of Theology or a more thorough systematic theology.
     
  13. evangelist6589

    evangelist6589
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    8,369
    Likes Received:
    105

    I have that and and Erickson and Grudem plus the handbook of theology. Should read them.
     
  14. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    7,406
    Likes Received:
    99
    Per the previous question, how do you define Neo-orthodoxy?
     
  15. RLBosley

    RLBosley
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2012
    Messages:
    1,752
    Likes Received:
    0
    Now that's funny. I'm taking that line. :laugh:
     
  16. kyredneck

    kyredneck
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    10,559
    Likes Received:
    274
    And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation. Mk 16:15

    ....and those whom were sent by Him did exactly that:

    But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:18

    5...the word of the truth of the gospel,
    6 which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;
    23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister. Col 1

    25 Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal,
    26 but now is manifested, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, is made known unto all the nations unto obedience of faith: Ro 16
     
  17. kyredneck

    kyredneck
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    10,559
    Likes Received:
    274
    Can't help but wonder who would hold closest to the true biblical concept of 'evangelism', you or them.
     

Share This Page

Loading...