New Bible Scrolls Found

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  1. John Miller

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    I haven't seen this brought up for disussion yet, so I'll ask.

    Did anyone see on the news about the scrolls/tablets found in Israel? From what I hear, it details some of what is found in I Kings
    about King Joash.

    Does anyone know anymore about this?

    The Bible has never been proven false, no matter how hard people have tried to disprove it. [​IMG]

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  2. Caretaker

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    The Rabbi And The Yehoash Tablet
    The news of the Temple Mount discovery of an inscribed stone tablet from the time of Yehoash, King of Judah, continues to make waves. The archaeological community is skeptical as to the tablet's authenticity. "The fact that the tablet was not revealed to the public in its archaeological context," Dr. Eilat Mazar told Arutz-7 today, "but rather in the antiquities market, means that the burden of proof, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is on those who claim that it is authentic." Israel's Geological Institute, on the other hand, has carried out exhaustive tests showing that the stone is not a forgery. The artifact was found to have suffered fire damage, which could be confirmation of its presence in the Temple when Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar set the holy site aflame, as recorded in the Bible. The geologists feel, based on the materials covering the tablet, that it was buried some 500-600 years after it was written.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=37227

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    This is indeed an exciting discovery. The negatives are that it was "discovered" in an antiquities market, so it was not examined by experts in its archeological context as to location of origin. The Moslems have closed off the temple mount, and so evidence of this sort can be hidden away and destroyed, to preserve the myth that Israel has no true claim to the temple mount.

    At least when our Lord returns, He WILL rule the earth. May God so bless His precious children.

    A servant of Christ,
    Drew
     
  3. TheOliveBranch

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    I had received an email a couple of days ago from a Jewish friend on this find. Sorry I wasn't on to post it.

    Made me wonder how mush the Muslims are hiding in there. [​IMG]
     
  4. JonathanG

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    Again,
    TIme for Israel to take back the Temple Mount. Why they cater to those terrorist is beyond me.
    Concessions or no concessions.

    Reports have them taking all kinds of material out and just dumping it and putting structural integrity at risk

    Jon
     
  5. go2church

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    History lesson remember that Israel had the Temple Mount but gave it back! What Israel needs is to accept Jesus as the true Messiah, owning or not owning a piece of dirt (no matter how big) will help very little when Christ returns.
     
  6. Cskokido

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    Here is a good article that goes a little more in detail.

    http://msnbc.com/news/858803.asp?cp1=1

    ERUSALEM, Jan. 13 — Israeli geologists said Monday they
    have examined a stone tablet detailing repair plans for the
    Jewish Temple of King Solomon that, if authenticated, would
    be a rare piece of physical evidence confirming biblical
    narrative. The find — whose origin is murky — is about the
    size of a legal pad, with a 15-line inscription in ancient
    Hebrew that strongly resembles descriptions in the Bible’s
    Book of Kings.

    THE TABLET COULD also strengthen Jewish claims to a
    disputed holy site in Jerusalem’s Old City that is now home
    to two major mosques. Muslim clerics insist, despite
    overwhelming archaeological evidence, that no Jewish
    shrine ever stood at the site. That claim was made by
    Palestinian officials in failed negotiations with Israel in 2000
    over who would be sovereign there.
    The origin of the stone tablet is unclear, making it difficult to
    establish authenticity.
    The Israeli daily Haaretz on Monday quoted an unidentified
    source as saying it was uncovered in recent years, during
    renovations carried out by the Muslim administrators of the
    mosque compound known to Muslims as the Haram
    as-Sharif, or Noble Sanctuary, and to Jews as the Temple
    Mount.
    From there, it reached a major antiquities collector in
    Jerusalem, Haaretz said. The Holy Land has a thriving trade
    in antiquities, often operating on the edge of the law.
    The sandstone tablet has a 15-line inscription in ancient
    Hebrew that resembles descriptions in Kings II, 12:1-6,
    11-17, said Israel’s Geological Survey, which examined the
    artifact. The words refer to King Joash, who ruled the area
    2,800 years ago.
    In it, the king tells priests to take “holy money ... to buy
    quarry stones and timber and copper and labor to carry out
    the duty with faith.” If the work is completed well, “the Lord
    will protect his people with blessing,” reads the last
    sentence of the inscription.
    The Jerusalem collector has declined to come forward, and
    David Zailer, a lawyer for the collector, would not say where
    the tablet was found or give any further details.

    Gabriel Barkai, a biblical archaeologist, said the collector
    asked the Israel Museum to determine the authenticity of
    the inscription and was told the museum’s experts could not
    rule out a forgery. The Israel Museum declined comment
    Monday.
    The collector then took the tablet to Israel’s Geological
    Institute, whose experts studied it over the past year. “Our
    findings show that it is authentic,” said Shimon Ilani, who
    performed geological tests on the inscription. Carbon dating
    confirms the writing goes back to the 9th century B.C., he
    said.
    In the outer layer, Ilani and his colleagues found microscopic
    flecks of gold that could have been burnt into the stone
    when a building containing both the tablet and gold objects
    was destroyed.
    This could mean the tablet was actually part of Solomon’s
    Temple, which was destroyed by the Babylonians in 586
    B.C., said Amos Bean, director of the institute.
    “These specks of gold are not natural material, but a sign of
    human activity,” said Bean. “They could be from gold-plated
    objects in the home of a very rich man, or a temple. ... It’s
    hard to believe that anyone would know how to do these
    things to make it look real.”
    The stone itself was probably from the Dead Sea area and
    was originally whiter than its current dark gray, Bean said.

    ‘FAR-REACHING IMPLICATIONS’
    Hershel Shanks, editor of the Washington-based Biblical
    Archaeology Review, said the tablet, if authentic, would be
    “visual, tactile evidence that reaches across 2,800 years.”
    Barkai said the inscription’s resemblance to biblical
    passages “has far-reaching implications of the historical
    importance of the biblical text.”

    Several other inscriptions excavated in recent years refer to
    characters or events from the Bible. A stone inscription
    found in northern Israel includes the phrase “house of
    David.” Most experts consider this to be the first ancient
    writing outside the Bible that refers to King David or the
    Davidic line of kings, which has corroborated the basic
    history of the Hebrew Scriptures.
    Adnan Husseini, the director of the Islamic Trust that
    administers the Jerusalem mosque compound, denied
    Monday the tablet was found during renovation work there.
    In recent years, the Islamic Trust has turned an
    underground vault in the compound into a large prayer
    area, prompting complaints by Israeli archaeologists that
    important artifacts are being destroyed. At one point, the
    archaeologists said truckloads of soil from the holy site were
    dumped uninspected into the nearby Kidron Valley.
    The mosque compound is Islam’s third-holiest site, while the
    adjacent Western Wall, the last remnant of the second
    Jewish Temple compound, is Judaism’s holiest site. Most
    rabbis ban Jews from entering the Temple Mount for
    religious purity reasons.
    When Israel conquered east Jerusalem in the 1967 Mideast
    war, it permitted Muslim clergy to continue administering the
    hilltop area to avoid conflict with the Muslim world.
    The mystery surrounding the stone tablet — its murky
    origins, appearance on the private antiquities market and a
    collector unwilling to come forward — mirrors the
    controversy over an inscription on an ancient burial box that
    may be the oldest archaeological link to Jesus.
    The burial box, or ossuary, had the inscription, “James, son
    of Joseph, brother of Jesus,” leading some to believe it was
    used to store the remains of James, the brother of Jesus of
    Nazareth. Other experts said the inscription might be a
    forgery.
     
  7. Keith M

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    It is obvious that Muslim leaders have been untrustworthy in questions of truth for years. However, not all Muslim leaders condone terrorist activities. Nor do all adherants to the Muslim religious belief. There are thousands and thousands of poor misguided souls who are bound for an eternity in the lake of fire because of their false religious beliefs, but many of them are about as harmful as a gnat.

    Can we trust anything that Muslim leaders say? Likely not. If this find is legitimate, how is it that it was "found" in a market? It would seem to me that Muslims would want to show the world that something like this was found at an archeological dig if it truly was found where they claim. Instead, they just go on to prove their lack of trustworhiness by their actions...
     
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    http://thegoldenreport.com/articles.asp?id=80

    Many have ask me about the Tablet that was found that may date back to King Joash (835-793 BC) this Tablet first came to light back in November 2001. The Tablet believed to have been found in the trash that the Arabs dumped in the Kidron Valley after being dug out of the area known as Solomon’s Stables. The Arabs (Palestinians) have been excavating Solomon’s Stables now for the past two years and braking every known law Israel has on excavating and digging in a known Holy Site. But our Government has been unable or unwilling to stop them. I have read no less than two dozen reports on how the Palestinian Arabs are trying to destroy any trace of Jewish identity on the Temple Mount. So far Sharon has refused to stop the Palestinian from digging on the Temple Mount.

    If this Tablet proves to have been found in the Kidron Valley at the Palestinian dumpsite it will be a tremendous find. Proving as if more proof is needed that the first and second Temples stood there. And one would think more than enough reason for this Israeli Government to stop the unlawful Islamic acts on the Temple Mount. It is bad enough that Jews are not allowed to visit their most Holy Site, but to sit by and allow these Islamic Palestinians to destroy the Jewishness of the Temple Mount, turning it into one large Moslem Mosque, is beyond belief.
    Because of the ownership and the value of this Tablet (millions of dollars) there has been a lot of tests and legal procedures taking place. Many have been forced to sign an agreement of silence concerning what is known. It is also interesting that the Lawyer representing this find is Isaac Herzog who is a Labor Party candidate for the Knesset..

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  9. Ernie Brazee

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    They can find a mountain of tablets and it won't change what God has alreday revealed.

    God created heaven and earth, God created man for himself(God), man disobeyed, bringing sin into the world, God shed blood for that sin.
    Then God went on to reveal the natural state of man(disobedient.)Man can not please God, so to rectify this situation he sent His son Jesus Christ, who obediently took upon himself the sins of the world and will redeem those who come to Him.

    Now, why do we need tablets to prove or disprove the Word of God?

    We just need to believe and follow what God has given us. Stop looking for more proof.

    As for the Temple Mount, soon it will once again belong to Israel and the King of Kings and Lord of Lords will sit on the throne and rule with a rod of iron.

    Revelation 19:15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS
     
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    The tablets under discussion are not scrolls. They also are not protions of Scripture. They do seem to be comtemporary correspondence. If genuine (and they seem to be), then these tablets simply remove one more objection from unbelievers. They also give Believers that much more confidence in our wittness to the world. They are as it were Providential handfuls on purpose
     
  11. Ben W

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    The Temple is finished. The Fufilment of Mosaic Judaism is Messianic Judaism which has the temple in your own heart.

    The Jews lost their temple once before. when the went back to their land they rebuilt it before there own houses. Very different to the abomination called Reformed Judaism which can not even tell you if there is an afterlife.

    If Judaism were serious, the first thing they would have done is taken there scripture seriously and rebuilt it. However as I have said before. The Man made temple has no role in Christianity. It does send Jews to hell though.

    Any Jew who rejects Jesuus Christ will go to Hell. There is no other way to the Father except through the Son.
     

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