New Fad, Old Fad---The Knights Templar and the Holy Grail

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  1. Phillip

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    I am surprised with all of the anger running around about The Passion that there is very little being mentioned about the New Fad started in America by the Dan Brown book "The da Vinci Code".

    For those of you who have not read it, he writes a novel based on a book that is called "non-fiction" (Yeah, so is the Burmuda Triangle)--That is based on a theory that the Knights Templar found the "Holy Grail" while living in Jerusalem and digging into the old temple. The grail was not what they thought it was and supposedly they black-mailed the Catholic church and the Knights became very rich and owned a lot of land.

    Anyway, for the short version, the Grail was the remains of Mary Magdeline, who was Jesus' wife after he "fainted" on the cross and that his children and blood-line is alive and well in France.

    The older book that was non-fiction is called "Holy Blood, Holy Grail". Now their book is on the best sellers list along with another book by Dan Brown relating to something about religion, related to this. (I think). So, now we have his da Vinci Code sitting at #2 where it has been for weeks now, Holy-Blood, Holy-Grail, as number 7 and climbing and Dan Browns older book Angels and Demons at about number 10 and climbing.

    The bookstore, a major chain, had an entire front isle devoted to the Knights Templar and Holy Grail/Mary Magdeline story that everybody is jumping on the bandwagon, including many books of da Vinci's works that were used in the book.

    Now, folks, if you want something to complain about, take a look at this fad and how it is keeping Americans enthralled with absolute rubbish.

    The claim is that the blood-line from Jesus is especially pure and goes all the way to David on both Mary and Joseph's side (His assumption that Joseph is the blood father, not the Holy Spirit).

    :eek:
     
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    Movie is in the works!
     
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    Many non believers will get their ideas of what christians beleive from this, or rather feel more able to wroite off what chrsitans actually beleive.
     
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    I looked for this book at both (count em 1, 2) of our local Christian Book Stores, haven't found it yet.

    Haven't been to Wal-Mart, that place is like a temple in and of itself, BIG K mart, (with Martha written off for a while) don't carry it either, plenty of 'left' behind stock (still there), guess everyone has that stuff memorized.

    Tried reading that once, couldn't get into it, too much something, never did figure it out.

    I guess those on the plane and left behind was thankful to someone or something the pilot wasn't saved, huh :confused:

    Well, I enjoy reading, but Oh, btw, one of the Christian Book stores only supplements its mainline sales with 'christian writings' and Study Bibles (Boy howdy, with the study Bibles). They can't get any real deep writings like from Pink or anything like that, but do have a shelf full of 'mary's message to the world' and stuff like that.

    Seems to me, most people are really charismatic Catholics (or would that be nominally charismatic Catholics ;) ) I use to date a Catholic girl, never met the father though (uh, I mean in the confessional). They always knew I was coming over on Saturdays and they always went (walked, the church was only a block from home) to 5:00 mass, I mean religiously. They were cordial though, they always extended a warm welcome and invitation for me to come; bet they prayed for my future soul tormented in purgatory while at the same time doing pennance for leaving a protestant (though I am a Baptist and not a protestant, then even I didn't know that [​IMG] ) home alone, a, in their home. But they obviously trusted me, after all I was dating their daughter.

    We lived in two different counties. One evening while reading the Bible I read 'call no man upon this earth your father', so I talked about it with her, I was about a Junior in high school and she was a Freshman, we mutually decided with the history and all, we would just be friends.

    She did get invited to my wedding shower, to my 'methodist' fiancee (Mrs. Frogman's) chagrin, thanks to my conniving sister and another ex-girlfriend [​IMG]

    Anyone who knows where Columbia Ky is, will know why adultery is so hard to stay away from, no girl in all of Adair county even knew I was breathing until after I married; they lost out though, or maybe they won, who knows...well, besides Mrs. Frogman.

    Well, I started talking about how difficult it is to locate this book, just realized I have a book overdue at the WKU library, and I have now got to phone a publisher about a contract for my memiors, remember, you read it on the BB first [​IMG]

    God Bless All

    Bro. Dallas Eaton
     
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    What ar you talking bout', ????, This is documented in scripture, true, Joseph is not his 'dad', but still, he too was in the 'blood' line of David, I read it in scripture, maybe this book ain't as bad as you say, maaaaybe it does have a message God can use, mmmmaaayybeee is incorrectly speeled, so don't pppeeyyy annytinsion to anything I am saynnge.

    I am haveing a not yet senior, senior moment tonighte.

    Hey, do you know where I could ge an olde english copy of Pilgrim's Progress (really, wasnot that book alot of Arminianistic works?) Bt still the prince of preachers read it at least 100 times, I thik all those many sermongs he preached and wrote, even on butter cake wrappings and shipped all around the world was a non-conformist conspiracey, I mane think about it, was it raelly his messages or was it the spirit of John Bunyona speaking to him, I mean comm on, after reading someone's book over 100 times, somethings got to happen, don't it?

    You know he (the prince of preachers) read three major books a week) that is one of his biographies which I read, but I have always wondered if this was really three major books, or three major books of the Bible, or is the Bible really only one book, or was this three major readings a week of Pilgrim's progress? Or I mean, reading Bunyan over 100 times in only 56 yrs. how did he ever read anythign else?

    I think Spurgeon was a great preacher though, but did you know he had a beard, he smoked a cigar and he shunned tea parties,something about being pulpit preacher and not a parlor preacher, I think he was just either unsociable or self-conscious about his weight, wht do yall think? Or maybe he didn't want it known that he smoked them Castro cigars, I don't know, but we could write a great book and then a movie.

    America would buy it, no doubt. But give them the word of God and because the tradition recognizes Jesus died on 'good' Friday, they wonder how they can trust that book that says '3 days and 3 nights'.

    Go all the way back to moses and mabee farther, Moses is as far as I have gone, see that God told them to go 'three' days into the wilderness and worship at the place he showed to them.

    Oh, well, this will have to be chapter two [​IMG]
     
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    Just noticed this, your original post was at 9:46, this quote you posted at 9:47, what happened? An after thought?

    Trying to insinuate that we none don't read no books but have tohave a movie to get us fired up anit cha, I see how ya are, I see, now I know an d knowing is 1/2 the battle, as soon as I figureout the other 1/2 youre in trouble buster, I guess I'wll have to wait for the Gi Joe mvoiv on that one wonat I?

    Well, I am going to bed the more I write, the less I say and the less I say the more I write, go figure.

    Good nithg all and to all, oh I already said that, sorrry. :D [​IMG]

    Bro. Dallas
     
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    Hi Bro. Dallas, Wal Mart has a bunch of them, saw them the other day. I'd almost say the library there in Glasgow has one too since it's so popular.
    Never been to Columbia, but know where it is, I know the type too. After nearly 24 years of marriage my husband still gets propositions. By teenage girls none the less! He comes home and tells me everytime.
     
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    What ar you talking bout', ????, This is documented in scripture, true, Joseph is not his 'dad', but still, he too was in the 'blood' line of David, I read it in scripture, maybe this book ain't as bad as you say, maaaaybe it does have a message God can use, mmmmaaayybeee is incorrectly speeled, so don't pppeeyyy annytinsion to anything I am saynnge.

    </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Frogman, I'm running in and out this week, so it looks like I'm hitting and running. Sorry, maybe it will slow down this weekend.

    Maybe I was not clear on the book. It is NOT sold in Christian bookstores. It is a PURELY secular book. The claim of the true bloodline is the Joseph was the real father of Jesus, not the Holy Spirit.

    According to Dan Brown and the guys who wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail are claiming that Jesus married Mary Magdeline and this blood-line continued. It is the pure blood-line of KINGS, on both sides and their claim is Jesus had kids who's lineage has been maintained fairly pure and is alive and well in France.


    You will find this at your local Wal-Mart in the Hard-book section. It has been at #2 for quite a while, it was still #2 at a major chain in OKC yesterday. It is fiction, but it is based on the premise put forth in the book, Holy Blood, Holy Grail that is classified as non-fiction.
     
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    In answer to the time of posts. I have a bad habit of sitting down at the PC, reading a post and responding without reading the whole thread.

    I will start slapping my fingers and not post until I have read all of the inputs. If I don't Dr. Bob has permission to chastise me with whatever his heart desires.
     
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    Try Project Gutenberg. It is not really user friendly, but if it was printed in English and it is in the public domain, there is a real good chance it is here.

    Also, you might do a search, a lot of universities carry old books that you can download, for research.

    Project Gutenberg is the world's biggest depository of public domain material---it does not matter whether it is fiction or non-fiction. If it is public domain, they may very well have it.

    http://www.gutenberg.net/index.php
     
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    Thanks Donna,
    I will check at Wal-Mart. I also tell my wife everything as she does to me. We have been married 15 yrs. 3 mos. as of March 23 and I would do it again, only I would have pursued my college education first :rolleyes:

    Thanks Phillip, I was "assuming" this would be available in Christian Bookstores.

    I understood the meaning of your post on the lineage of Joseph, I was just pulling your leg :D

    You do know, however, the French King did not 'break' with the RC so just maybe.... :eek: [​IMG]

    God Bless
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    Gotcha, its hard to run in an out and read these things. I'm going to try to sit down tonight and catch up. If you been pokin' fun at me, well, you just wait. Your time is coming. :D :eek:
     
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    My library has 10 copies of The Da Vinci Code, all are out with a long waiting list.

    Someone at work asked me if I had read it and how great it was, and how historically accurate. I told her I found it in the fiction section, and have never read anything by Dan Brown that was intended to be reference material. The Facts have been changed to protect the truth.
     
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    Hey,
    There is a Dan Brown book in one of our Christian Book Stores, but it isn't the DaVinci Code.

    The 'facts' are changed to protect the truth [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    That's a good one.

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]

    Hey, haven't I seen you on tv superdave?
     
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    My point exactly. I can't even get some church leaders I know to really listen when I tell them about this threat. They are more worried about some other issue. (which is okay, but it doesn't address a real threat to Christianity and our capability to witness to these folks.)
     
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    Most people (church members, too) get their theology from movies, TV, books and even comics!

    The Passion gave a lot of disinformation, as has Nostradamus, Chariots of the Gods, the DaVinci Code, et al

    But we need to put the Word of God back on the throne (and I'm NOT talking about a "version") and declare it's absolutes without compromise.
     
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    I am not the real Superdave, although, I did get 15 stitches in my chin when I was 9 from a rather daring bicycle stunt and earned the nickname Evil Kanevil
     
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    [​IMG] [​IMG] gotcha superdave [​IMG]

    We all thought we were 'untouchable' didn't we? :D

    Just thought I would post this as it relates to the thread. Still haven't got the book, but saw a documentary on Holy Blood, Holy Grail, one of the fore runners to the Da Vinci Code, pretty much detailed the history.

    I am not sure these guys weren't perhaps in someway connected with the Masonic Lodge, no offense to any who are or were masons, my dad is. Just much of what the history channel said about them reminded me of little things I have gleaned over the years.

    Anyway, just thought I would post that here.

    Let me ask this question:

    Are the Jews (Israel) still expecting a messiah? IF so, wouldn't he be required to be of the 'line' of David?

    Maybe this is really something bigger than we could imagine right now...

    Oh well, just had the thought while watching it and thought I would wake you guys up too...hey, are ya'll sleeping, c'mon, what kind of baptists are youins?

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
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