New Perspective on Paul: Good, Bad, or Neutral?

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  1. 12strings

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    What specifically, excites or worries you about the new perspective on Paul?
     
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    It is extremely important work that is being done with the best historical framework and is developing truly useful insights concerning the Sitz em Leben of Pauline theology given his Second Temple context. The evidence from Qumran is compelling and, honestly, this is the proper theological approach.
     
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    What is this doctrine? Does anyone have a link to an article or something?
     
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    Well what could be clearer...this pretty much settles it, I think. I'll just SITZ myself down right now :laugh:

    That said, I guess I now have to admit that preachinginJesus is smarter than me if he knows what this means.
     
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    Amy, it is not "doctrine", in and of itself. As a broad brush, it questions whether some of our "orthodox" understanding of Paul's message, particularly concerning matters of justification have been entirely correct. It is rooted in attempts to better understand first century and early rabbinical Judaism. While, it itself is not doctrine, it can for some have some impact on doctrinal positions.

    http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_New_Perspectives.htm
     
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    Leben means Love.

    Vas ist Los, nicht sprekenzie deutche?
     
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    Judaizers are back. One wonders if they ever really left.
     
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    Actually the phrase means "Setting in life"...Leben being, Life.

    Um....not to be snarky...but its actually, Was ist den los, nicht spreche die Deutsche....just saying....:tongue3:
     
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    No, I don't speak German, though I used to sing some German art songs back in college...
     
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    I stand corrected. I also do not remember proper phonetic spelling of german. Lived there in the early 70's

    What is the word for "love", it is something similar to leben.

    You "judaizer" you. :)
     
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    This isn't NPP. Think more globally, think about the nature of Second Temple Jewish context of the writers of the NT. The nature of Jewish faith changed dramatically in the post-exilic context and once the Second Temple was established. Particularly what is important here is the nature of Hellenization and the imputation of things like the Mishnah and Talmud.

    Now there is a sub-category, which has been developed by luminaries such at NT Wright, which concerns justification...but it is only a sub-category. I believe the OP is talking about the meta-category.
     
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    Lieben...

    Ich leibt das BaptistBoard...cause we wouldn't use a feminine article around these parts...;)
     
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    German drinking songs really help one understanding the sublimity of the language...just saying :saint:
     
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    neun und neunzig Flaschen Bier an der Wand
     
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    "I say all this to make it clear that there are probably almost as many ‘New Perspective’ positions as there are writers espousing it – and that I disagree with most of them." - NT Wright
     
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    "I remain committed to understanding Paul in his own right and his own terms against all traditions about him, including my own. I remain convinced that Luther and Calvin would say Amen to that point of principle. And I believe, and have argued in my various exegetical works, that this reading of Paul makes far more sense of his letters, in whole and in their various parts, and in their mutual relations, than all other readings known to me. Part of that exegetical task is to relate Paul to the Jewish world of his day, and this reading I believe does that far better than the traditional one, though debates naturally remain about many aspects of the Jewish context." - NT Wright
     
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    Sorry Q, but I'm just too tired to read all of that. Do you have the Cliff notes? :laugh:
     
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    I have cliff notes on calculating local extrema of polynomial and rational functions using first and second derivatives. However, not for this. :) Sorry.
     
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    cliff notes: Wherever the slope is zero the curve is bottoming or topping out. (One of the few things I remember from calculus)
     

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