New Wine is better then the Old

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  1. Benoni

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    Wrong. There are so many things that happened with Adam for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see (singular).

    Yes faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God. But what you are hearing is the letter that killeth; now what the spirit has quicken (made alive).

    How do I receive revelation? By seeking asking and knocking; and being open to what God’s spirit has to say not the 10,000 daughters of baby-lon. It is the spirit of truth God’s Word declares that leads us a guides us into all truth, not mans systems.
     
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    You do not believe God speaks in the OT. You should take your own advise.

    Study your Bible. Find out the truth for yourself.
    Be as the Bereans in Acts 17:11
     
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    If you followed God's Word you would not believe in the heresy of universalism.

    Please if you are going to attack someone’s believe let us use God’s Word not our opinion. According to Rome all protestants were heretic; that too was an opinion.

    Universalism is not unbiblical; it is just un-orthodox, orthodoxy is Biblical in the context of Baby-lon. Notice who the false prophet; notice the content of the verse.

    2 Peter 2:1
    But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

    KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

    This is what you are preaching not me; notice what the Greek says the false prophets bring. Do they bring the message that God will save all; do they bring the good news of salvation to the whole earth. No they bring damnations to billions, total annihilation and destruction , perish etc.

    Your whole doctrine centers on damnations, eternal torture, and the pagan word hell; you are the one preaching heresies of damnation; not me.

    No prove your point using the Bible instead of your bias opinion.
     
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    Please if you are going to attack someone’s believe let us use God’s Word not our opinion. According to Rome all protestants were heretic; that too was an opinion.

    Universalism is not unbiblical; it is just un-orthodox, orthodoxy is Biblical in the context of Baby-lon. Notice who the false prophet; notice the content of the verse.

    2 Peter 2:1
    But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    Strong’s NT:684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a); from a presumed derivative of NT:622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):

    KJV - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

    This is what you are preaching not me; notice what the Greek says the false prophets bring. Do they bring the message that God will save all; do they bring the good news of salvation to the whole earth. No they bring damnations to billions, total annihilation and destruction , perish etc.

    Your whole doctrine centers on damnations, eternal torture, and the pagan word hell; you are the one preaching heresies of damnation; not me.

    No prove your point using the Bible instead of your bias opinion.[/QUOTE]
     
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    You got to be kidding me. Is God dead? You do not hear God is His Word? What is the purpose of God's Spirit? or do you not believe the Spirit of truth can lead you and guide you into all truth? or are these just words that mean nothing?
     
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    You just told me you do not hear God?
     
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    This is not true. Not all believers are God's elect only the overcomers.
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    Notice there is a distinction between the great multitudes BEFORE the throne (Rev. 7:9) in comparison to the overcomer who Christ will grant to sit with me on my throne (Rev. 3:21) .
    Rev. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    Rev. 3: 21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
    The lake of fire is spiritual in nature; john was in spirit on the lords day. no where does it say in the Book of Revelation that John was being literal in any since of the word.

    These are not my words.

    2Th 2:11
    (ALT) And for this reason God will send to them a supernatural working of deception, for them to believe the lie,

    This is true but most believers are not God's elect.

    In His great victory over the power of Satan He was a sign that pointed unerringly to another company of overcoming sons. In all the churches of Revelation there were two classes of people — those who were overcomers and those who were not. It is to the overcomers that the glorious promises are given, for they follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth, have partaken of His mind and of His will, and thus are equipped to reign in His kingdom.

    Thus to them it is said: "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

    Rev. 2:7. "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

    Rev. 2:11. "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."

    Rev. 2:17. "He that overcometh and keepeth My works to the end, to him will I give/wnw over the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessel of the potter shall they be broken to shivers even as I received of My Father, and I will give him the morning star."

    Rev. 2:26-28."He that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which cometh down out of heaven from my God and I will write upon him my new name."

    Rev. 3:12, 13. "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne even as I overcame and am set down with My Father in His throne."

    Rev. 3:21. "He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."
     
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    To present yourself as a theologian based on Strong's Concordance is the same thing as reading a medical textbook and calling yourself a medical doctor. Very dangerous!

    But, even if you were correct in your presentation it would not matter. Your EGO and SUPERIOR ATTITUDE TOWARD OTHERS shows your true colors.

    Also, considering your increasing combative attitude, your time here is probably coming to an end.
     
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    So in other words you your going to kick me off the forum because you are being shown you are wrong and do not want to hear it. How religous of you.


    So be it.
     
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    Do any of you know what the Tabernacle of David IS.


    Carnal man is the wicked and does not have the ability to hear God until he is first quickened for he is spiritual dead in trespasses and sin, does not matter if you are Hitler or your neighbor he has not been called. Please do not take this lightly for God’s Word is deep and it is spiritual but I want to start with one verse, notice the quote “who are called by my name, says the Lord” There is nothing literal about God’s Melchezidek Priesthood, it is one of the most hidden spiritual messages in God’s Word.

    Acts 15: 13-18 (ESV) 16(A) "'After this I will return,and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen;I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it 17that the remnant of mankind(B) may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles(C) who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things 18(D) known from of old.'

    Acts 15: 13-18 (Message) James broke the silence. "Friends, listen. Simeon has told us the story of how God at the very outset made sure that racial outsiders were included. This is in perfect agreement with the words of the prophets: After this, I'm coming back; I'll rebuild David's ruined house; I'll put all the pieces together again; I'll make it look like new So outsiders who seek will find, so they'll have a place to come to, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing. "God said it and now he's doing it. It's no afterthought; he's always known he would do this

    Acts 15: (Amp) 17So that the rest of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been invoked,

    Acts 15: (HCSB) 17 so that those who are left of mankind may seek the Lord— even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, says the Lord who does these things,

    Acts 15: 17 (NIRV) Then the rest of the people can look to the Lord. This means all the non-Jews who belong to me. The Lord says this. He is the one who does these things.' —(Amos 9:11,12)
    Now if the rest of men may seek the Lord, All the pagan peoples included in what I'm doing “, “ all the Gentiles , the “remainder of man kind are destroyed as you proclaim in the Lake of Devine Purging (Lake of Fire); then what about this promise.
     
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    It appears the man is a universalist. These kind were banned from another Christian forum, and I think with good reason.
     
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    I agree we have a terrible message.

    Luke 2:10 (King James Version)
    10And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy,which shall be to all people.
     
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    He appears to be a Universalist who is also a Calvinist and an Armenian. And, regardless of which position anyone takes in discussing anything with him, it ends up that the problem is no one is able to understand the Holy Spirit except him.

    So we should all just shut up and let him teach us, because if we don't listen to him it is because we are not spiritually-minded.
     
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    All this is, is a personal attack because you have no message. Please if I say anything that I do not back with God's Word please show me. The real problem here is you have tried your whole life to box God up in your religous man made box and He just does not fit; He is fare togreat and awesome.

    So if you want to attack me use your spiritual sword the Word of God instead of your carnal sword your fleshly opinion.

    Here is a perfect example from the Bible that show us we need to be seekers of truth and not sit on what we know; most of these are hidden from the religious mind, carnal mind but God does reveal them to His babes/ His out called/His overcomers.

    I cannot and will not fit God’s Word in a man made box; it is like a river that flows and gets deeper and deeper; in fact so deep at times you cannot no longer stand; that is where faith comes in.

    Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

    Broken Cisterns is all they have; Jeremiah had it totally right. To look beyond those man made principles is so contrary to established creeds and doctrine; they are just like the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages. Luther was a man who was called of God; Luther was not perfect; but Luther did something most Christians refuse to do; hear God and walk with the principles God had given Him. Lutherans today hear Luther and walk with the principle Luther taught them, and do not comprehend God’s Spirit has moved beyond Luther and his dead creed and dogmas. The Bible is not a law Book; but a living moving book that goes beyond the principles man made established icons.

    1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come. example

    Example: NT:5178 a : Strong’s: tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture)
     
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    The heretics in 2 Pet 2:1 were not preaching damnation, they were preaching false doctrine that would result in damnation if others followed it, and would soon bring damnation upon themselves. This verse proves your doctrine that all men will be saved false.

    Jesus repeatedly taught that the majority of men would be lost. He taught that only a few enter into everlasting life.

    Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


    And just a few verses later Jesus again shows that not all men will be saved.

    Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


    Again, your doctrine is easily demonstated to be totally false.
     
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    You are certainly not alone. The Episcopal Church embraces your 'the Holy Spirit is doing a New Thing theology.' Their Presiding Bishop, Katherine Jefforts-Schori is also a universalist. When asked if Jesus is the only way to God she responded, 'I can't possibly keep God in that small of a box'. Sound familiar? Also, I'm surprised you make such an accusation against Lutherans these days given that many of the clergy in the ELCA are universalists.
     
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    I am really not against any religion for Baby-lon is a golden cup in the lands of the Lord. Luther was but an example of men who hear God; not Lutherns who hear only Luther. There are many great spiritual leaders who have become someones pope. It is Jesus not Luther is the way, the truth and the light.
     
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    You contradict yourself. According to you all men will be saved. There are no lost.

    And then you twist the verse to say that Jesus was speaking of believers when he spoke of not entering at the strait gate. If that is so, then believers do not have everlasting life.

    Matt 7:Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


    I have seen a lot of folks twist scripture here, but you are extreme.
     
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    On what basis can you say this?

    You know nothing of Robert Snow or his beliefs.
     

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