News: Wal-Mart goes sodomy friendly

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  1. Artimaeus

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    Wal-Mart Stores Inc. has broadened its corporate policy prohibiting discrimination to cover gay and lesbian workers, the company said on Wednesday.
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    Wal-Mart was never perfect and there have always been a few individuals who lacked character but this is the first time, to my knowledge, where company policy has been established which is totally out of line with what a Christian can "tolerate". I started working for them about 12 years ago, and one of the reasons was the "respect for the individual" concept which is still highly tauted. To include such degenerate behavior as something I am told to respect is just unacceptable. I don't know yet what I am going to do but it will be something. I will never show respect for queerdom. Up to this point, we have always had individuals who were gay/lesbian and I have always gotten along well with them but that is because I have treated them as potential Christians. Not one of them can even say that I dislike them, not one of them can say that I have ever even given the slightest hint of negative interaction with them, because, their lifestyle has never been a topic of conversation.

    We have company wide, interactive computer based training where we have to complete a "lesson" on various subjects. You MUST complete the lesson or lose your job. Usually, you don't have to agree, just acknowledge that you have read and understand the policy. I will not, I will not, I will not HAVE respect for those individuals. I will not SHOW respect for that SIN. No other sin has been incorporated into company policy. I do not have to show respect for drunks, fornicators, adulterers, pedophiles, liars, thieves, and such. I would and will feel the same way if someone tells me I MUST respect ANY sin. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

    [ July 07, 2003, 01:42 PM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
     
  2. Rev. Joshua

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    Artimaeus,

    If you cannot respect people who sin, you cannot respect anyone.

    Even if homosexuality were a sin, there would be no reason at all to discriminate against people in homosexual relationships in hiring; and there would be no reason for you to treat them any differently from your co-workers.

    The attitude that I keep seeing here on the BB is "My salvation is real and certain, but it doesn't keep me from committing all sins. Nevertheless, if a homosexual person were saved their salvation would keep them from being in a homosexual relationship." That is absurd.

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  3. Terry_Herrington

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    Confusing?
    You say that you have always treated the gay and lesbian workers with respect.

    You say,

    "Not one of them can even say that I dislike them, not one of them can say that I have ever even given the slightest hint of negative interaction with them, because, their lifestyle has never been a topic of conversation."

    Just keep this same attitude you have now and there should not be a problem, unless you are intent on making this an issue.
     
  4. Gina B

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    It IS an issue. Showing respect would be considered not saying the lifestyle is wrong if the topic shows up, and showing tolerance towards gay workers spouses.
    Yes, major sin IS a reason to discriminate against hiring. If I am an employer the government should not be able to tell me I must still consider someone for employment if they are a drunk, or a thief, or if they regularly practice sexual sin. I would want to hire people of good reputation and character, and ones that will incorporate good values into the workplace. I would want to hire someone into my business and to my customers that I feel safe with and would trust. I would not trust a person who is habitually committing a major sin.
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    Who would you be able to trust then, Gina? All have sinned and continue sinning ... what about fornicators with so many young folks at WM .. what will you do when you discover they are fornicating? I wouldn't hire an habitual drunk or thief ... that wuld be dumb ... but how does a homosexual person creat an unsafe work place? Are they going to attaching all the boys or girls that shop at WM? What about all of the adulterers who work at WM? or is the only "major" sin say sex sin? You seem to have a very narrow view. The majority of the Gay persons I know seem like very nice people ... not sexual predators .. I would not employ a sexual predator on purpose either ... gay or straight.
     
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    Joshua,

    Artimaeus made it very clear that he has treated sodomites with respect. That is not the issue at all. The issue is respecting a sodomite AS a sodomite.

    I can, and in fact have, treated child molesters respectfully, and will continue to do so. I will not, however, respect them AS child molesters. That is what Artimaeus said.

    But then, you already knew that, didn't you. ;0)

    For the record, I don't expect anyone to respect me for any sin that I commit. When I sin I expect people to scorn me for it.

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    "Cursed be the man who put's his trust in man, and maketh flesh his arm."

    Only God is to be trusted!

    Mark Osgatharp
     
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    I do not respect liars, I do not respect adulterers, I do not respect thieves, and I do not respect homosexuals. To say that I should...now THAT is absurd. Christians sin therefore, I should respect sinning. Now THAT is absurd. I do not respect homosexuality and never will and for someone to tell me that I should is, not only falling on profoundly deaf ears, it is absurd.

    There IS "reason at all" because I will now have to obsorb some of the extra healthcare costs. I will now be required to "keep my mouth shut" or risk losing my job if I don't react with respect towards sin.(I won't)

    Paraphrasing is fine but, to misrepresent on purpose is dishonest. NO poster, that I am aware of, on this board has EVER said that salvation will keep one from "commiting ALL sins", yet you say that this seems to be the jist of what you are hearing. My salvation keeps me from a myriad of sins, I am not a professional gambler, I am not a prostitute, I am not a fornicator living with my "significant other", I am not involved in many other sins. Am I perfect and never commit sins, of course not, but is it a defining part of my existence? no. Sin is to be avoided, defending it is not a Christian activity, THAT would be absurd.
     
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    No one said you had to respect sinning. Sinners, maybe, but not sinning.
     
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    For those who are not getting it: this is not about respecting sin, or even respecting people for their sin. This is about respecting people *despite* their sin. It's what Jesus did.
     
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    That is just the point. I did not make this an issue, THEY did. They are now telling me that I must HAVE respect for homosexuality. I have never commited an OFFENSIVE act toward someone who is homosexual but, I am now being told that I cannot commit a DEFENSIVE act. I must react with APPROVAL and that will never happen.
     
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    No one said you had to respect sinning. Sinners, maybe, but not sinning. </font>[/QUOTE]I don't respect sinners. What is it about sinning that I should respect. I don't respect my sinning, I don't respect me when I sin. My sin makes a difference in the respect you should show me, why shouldn't theirs?
     
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    When I speak of respect in this context, I'm speaking of common courtesy. Do you run around scowling at everyone you see and being rude to them becaise you know they're a sinner? I somehow doubt it. Or maybe you just don't have any friends, I don't know.
     
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    Artimaeus,

    Amen!

    This whole issue is about forcing the general population to have respect for sodomy, not just to treat sodomites respectfully.

    The only reason Christians are to even show respect for sinners of any variety is because we ourselves were sinners - and still are in the flesh - and God has acted respectfully toward us, when we deserved the utmost scorn and contempt. We should show that same respect for others, in spite of what they are, not because of what they are.

    The day is soon coming when the Judge of all will render to every man according to his deeds. All who blaspheme in that day will be cast down to hell.

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    For those of you who don't get it. It IS about respecting sin. This whole gay rights issue is about their gaining respectibility. They will not stop at merely being tolerated (not lynched or jailed), they will not stop until it is APPROVED by society and anyone who disagrees will them becomes the criminal. Show me ONE sinner that Jesus respected and approved of. He accepted anyone who repented of their sins, but, not until. Show me one sin where Jesus said, "Well, that one is OK, I can live with that."
     
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    Artimaeus,
    You seen to have already made up your mind on what you are going to do. So do it. Go and make a big thing out of this. Refuse to comply to your companies request and get fired.

    Then you can come back here to the BB and complain about being discriminated against. I am sure there are plenty of people here who will applaud your stance and will say that you did the right thing. Then you can go and find another job.
     
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    Common courtesy and respect are two different things. I have (nearly) always shown common courtesy to everyone and am almost univerally liked by my co-workers, but, I will not be forced to show respect for homosexuality. It is not respectable. My demeanor is quite soft spoken and pleasant (in the real world). I have not been trying to be that on this thread (surprise!). I sincerely apoligize if I have seemed or been rude to you. I meant to be blunt but, not at you. Thieves and liars are a much bigger problem at work but I have never been told to respect them.
     
  18. Gina B

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    Bob, I wouldn't trust a person having multiple affairs either.
    Practicicing homosexuality is a more disgusting sin than what you seem to be implying when you say everybody sins. Yes, everybody sins, but most do not commit murder or rape or robbery or homosexual acts on a regular basis and if they do the first three sins are still physically punished, although rape probably will be redefined to be acceptable shortly enough just as homosexuality has been.
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    I don't know how I could possibly seem to have already made up my mind since I don't have a clue about what I am going to do. I will have to wait and see how the policy is enforced. It isn't a company request, they aren't asking me, they are telling me.
     
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    Terry, you seem very passionate in your post, more so than the conversation calls for. Is there something about it personally irritating you?
    Gina
     

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