News: World Hostile Toward the USA

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Ulsterman, Jun 17, 2003.

  1. Ulsterman

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    I know I am going to open a can of worms here, but here goes. According to a BBC poll two thirds of the world are hostile toward the USA, and most consider only Al Queda as more dangerous than Bush/ USA to the stability of the world. What do you think?

    A commentator on BBC this morning mentioned that he thought the USA was oblivious to how other nations perceive them, and had an innocence, even a naiveté concerning their role in world affairs. Personally I tend to agree with him.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2994924.stm

    [ June 26, 2003, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
     
  2. Matt Black

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    David, I saw that article on the Beeb's breakfast news this morning. There's a prog on BBC2 about it tonight at 9pm I think.

    I'm afraid you may have indeed opened up a can of worms here.I think we can expect the usual chorus of "We don't care what the rest of the world think about us!" type of posts...thus exactly proving you, and the Beeb, right.

    (This should be interesting - I think I'll get my popcorn...)

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
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    You got that right! Don't choke on your popcorn! [​IMG]
     
  4. Matt Black

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    Would you mind if somebody from "the rest of the world" perpetrated another 9/11 - style atrocity because of what they thought about the US? Is that really what it takes to make you sit up and take notice? [​IMG]

    Yours in Christ

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    You don't have to like the big dog... but you do have to watch out for his bite.

    The U.S. is the only world super power (I know someone is bound to say, What about China?). I ask who is it that the entire world looks to when there is a humanitarian crisis, who is it that always has to handle world-wide problems, who is it that so freely gives of her wealth, resources, and the blood of her sons and daughters when another nation needs a helping hand?

    One of the most irrational things that I have ever heard is that someone would say that only Al-Queda is considered more dangerous than the U.S. Get real! When was the last time the U.S. hi-jacked some jets and crashed them into office buildings, blew up a crowded night club, sent a suicide bomber into a street-side cafe, or colonized another nation?

    Like I said you don't have to like us. We have been attacked and our innocent citizens murdered. We have declared war on all who would carry out such cowardly acts and the governments who support them. The fools in charge over at Al Queda have awakened a sleeping giant and now the U.S. will see an end to the cowardly terrorist networks. The entire world has failed to handle the problem of terrorists for far too long. Now the big dog is taking the lead to ensure that terrorists cannot function with their former accustomed freedom to strike at will.
     
  6. Matt Black

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    Slight tangent, but I couldn't let it slip by unchallenged...I do hope no Native American is reading this

    Yours in Christ

    Matt

    From Britain
    Which of course has never colonised anybody ;)
     
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    Slight tangent, but I couldn't let it slip by unchallened...I do hope no Native American is reading this

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
    </font>[/QUOTE]Oh you mean like myself? Well at least I'm part Native American Indian, Scots, Irish, German, and English (notice the order). Don't climb too high up on that high horse before you get knocked off... remember it was a bunch of Europeans who first colonized North America before there was a U.S.A. We simply sent your kings and queens packing when we had had enough of their nonsense.
     
  8. Matt Black

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    It was part self-deprecatory - read the bit under my sig

    Yours in Christ

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    Understood...

    But you were still wrong in the tongue-in-cheek accusation. Now let's move on to the central debate at hand. ;)
     
  10. I Am Blessed 24

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    What did the rest of the world think about us when we were sitting back and letting terrorists have reign in our country?

    America...still the greatest nation on earth!
     
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    Matt, how was your popcorn, by the way?

    Did you nuke it?

    Ah, that's what I thought! Microwaves were invented by Americans! [​IMG]

    http://www.softslide.com/volumes/v2/t3/history/readers_digest.htm

    In fact, practically every modern convenience you have at hand was invented by Americans or Jews. Even your computer. LOL! [​IMG]

    And don't forget that most awesome invention, the teddy bear. Invented by a Jew, of course. LOL! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    God Bless America! [​IMG]
     
  12. Ulsterman

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    OK this is the kind of knee jerk reaction I feared when I said that I may be opening a can of worms. Now, if we could all set down our national flags for a moment and think rationally. Why is the rest of the world, which pretty much supported the USA on 9/11, now hostile toward the Bush administration and US policy? Is it purely down to the war on Iraq, or something more?

    Incidentally, remember the UK also fought in Iraq, but doesn't seem to arouse the same hostile sentiment. So no more flag waving, OK? Lets not get caught up in emotive patriotism, but genuinely seek to discover why a country which in truth has dramatically impacted the world in so many positive ways, should now be the subject of its ire.
     
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    Evil always hates good. [​IMG]
     
  14. Matt Black

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    "Ooh! America good, everyone else bad! America good, everyone else bad!"

    :rolleyes:

    I'm afraid it looks like you're not going to get your mature debate, David

    Yours in Christ

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    Matt, I fear you are right!

    Please, SheEagle! "The whole world lieth in wickedness." (1 John 5:19). The present conflict between the U.S. and others cannot be defined in such simplistic terms as good vs evil, as President Bush and others want to portray it. The United States is governed by the same "god" as the rest of the world, and he is not the god of the Bible. This is about political and cultural ideologies. What is it politically or culturally that many in the world take exception to? This is a serious question, and is at the root of the world terror problem.

    You know, it wouldn't hurt American citizens to think about this.
     
  16. mozier

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    No, it really is not important what the rest of the world thinks about the USA. In the end, it all comes down to a nation and its right to defend itself as it sees fit.

    The USA has that right, even if it offends the sensibilities of other nations. Such documents as the "Treaty of Westphalia" go right out the window as they are being shown to not be adaptable to the world of the early 21st century. No nation that attacks our nation can hide behind that document anymore. America was attacked on September 11th. If the rest of the world cannot understand our need to protect ourselves from another attack, and to protect ourselves on our own terms, then that really is too bad.

    There is a new sheriff in town, Matt Black, and his name is George W. Bush. He is out to chew bubble gum and kick some serious butt. Only now, he is all out of bubble gum.


    mozier
     
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    The issue is SIN.

    But if you want to get into politics, there was a time in world history where the saying was "The Sun Never Sets on the British Empire." So, it's the fault of Great Brittain. If the British hadn't granted "independence" to all these Arab countries and rebel rousers who want to dominate the world with their homicidal maniacal religion, we wouldn't have these problems today!

    So there, how do you like them apples! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  18. Matt Black

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    If I can inject a bit of sanity into proceedings...

    I can only speak from a European perspective so can't tell you why the rest of the world dislikes the US (for the Muslims, it will no doubt be because of the US bias towards Israel, although fortunately this is changing, and because of the recent US presence in Saudi which has now, sensibly, come to an end). I guess we have a rather complex love-hate relationship with the US: some of us are keen imitaters and followers of US fashion,films and music etc and in Britain there is of course the issue of a shared language (with Churchill's caveat of course!). But equally there are Europeans, including Brits, who think of the US as their rather trashy, vulgar, uncultured and embarassing relative. These are the sort of people who view with disgust and disdain the proliferation of McDonalds and Starbucks and see this as part of an American plot to subvert their culture through imperialistic colonisation. There is of course an element of jealousy in this; we were once the superpowers and now the US is, and the situation is somewhat analogous to the fading and impoverished aristocrat looking down his nose at the brash nouveau riche . If you throw into this mix the perceived arrogance of some neo-conservatives (and some other Americans) ie: "We're the world's superpower and the best nation in the world, so we can do what we want, and we're always right and yah boo sucks to the rest of you [​IMG] ", it is easy to see how 'Old Europe' regards the US as a rather petulant adolescent. Whilst the majority of us were sympathetic after 9/11 (although some of us could see that something dreadful was going to happen to you at some point), a lot of that goodwill has now been squandered because of the above.

    My own tale mirrors this to an extent: until about a year ago I was strongly pro-US and anti-EU and quite right-wing with it; I believed that Britain's future lay largely with North America, with our co-English speakers and also what I thought was the largely Christian country of the US. That changed when I visited North America last summer; I encountered a massive cultural gap between what I had believed to be the case and the reality on the ground. I found Christians who were gung-ho and sickeningly eager for war. Time does not permit me to dwell on the detail of this, but suffice it to say that partly as a result of this, and through much soul- and Scripture-searching, my views are now much more centre-left, social justice etc and I am more convinced that our future lies in Europe rather than America. Some of my encounters on this board, plus the Iraq war have confirmed this view. (I remain instinctively right-wing, but have that steered to the left by Sripture!)

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
  19. Ulsterman

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    Mozier, the right of the US to defend itself and its citizens is inalienable, but surely you must agree you were not attacked by another nation as such, but a terrorist grouping which is largely based in Saudi Arabia (One of your allies :confused: ) and Morocco, neither of which seem to be under any threat from President Bush. Also it seems to me that of all the nations on the face of the eart none is so threatening to US interests and security as a nation as is North Korea, so how come they are not being attacked by Bush?

    According to the kind of reasoning you are adopting the UK would have been justified in invading the sovereign state of the Republic of Ireland on the basis of Irish Republican terrorism within UK borders.

    PS., Matt, I have been to the US on at least six or seven occasions, I feel more affinity in every way with the US than with the French & Germans etc. I wouldn't trust the continental Europeans as far as I could throw them. I'm still right wing in my politics (though not an extremist) and still a Euroskeptic. But then, maybe that's my premillennialism coming through in my politics ;)
     
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    I think the main problem with discussions such as this one is that politics too complex for a good vs evil paradigm to be of any use - but I doubt I will find any agreement on that!

    The issue as I see it is that the USA is hardly whiter than white when it comes to committing and supporting acts of terrorism - but doubtless this will be dismissed with hand waving 'we made mistakes in past'.

    Oh well.
     

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