NIrV And NLTse

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  1. Rippon

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    The TNIV remains my favorite English Bible translation. I like the Norlie NT and the HCSB too. However, this month I have been reading the NIrV primarily. It's written in limited English so a lot of theological language has been replaced with easier wording. Still, terms like "covenant" and "circumcision" are retained. And it keeps to the NIV text whenever possible.

    But because of its limitations it is a dynamic translation. It is more functionally-equivalent overall than is the NLTse. Yet I admire its simplicity. I can read vast section of Scripture and get a broad overview. It is a Bible that I give to Koreans who have problems reading at a higher register. And I think it is ideal for native English pre-teens.

    Here I will compare some passages with the NLTse at the top (L), and the NIrV (N), below.

    I'll start the thread off with some verses in the book of Galatians.

    3:20

    L : Now a mediator is helpful if more than one party must reach an agreement. But God, who is one, did not use a mediator when he gave his promise to Abraham.
    N : A go-between does not take sides. God didn't use a go-between when he made his promise to Abraham. But the same God was at work in both the law and the promise.

    4:20

    L : I wish I were with you right now so I could change my tone. But at this distance I don't know how else to help you.
    N : I wish I could be with you now. I wish I could change my tone of voice. As it is, you bewilder me.

    5:12

    L : I wish that those troublemakers who want to mutilate you by circumcision would mutilate themselves.
    N : So then, what about troublemakers who try to get others to be circumcised? I wish they would cut off everything that marks them as men!

    5:25

    L : Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit's leading in every part of of our lives.
    N : Since we live by the Spirit, let us march in step with the Spirit.

    6:2

    L : Share each other's burdens, and in this way obey the law of Christ.
    N : Carry each other's heavy loads. If you do, you will give the law of Christ its full meaning.

    6:3

    L : If you think you are too important to help someone, you are only fooling yourself. You are not that important.
    N : If you think you are somebody when you are nobody, you are fooling yourselves.

    6:7

    L : Don't be misled -- you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant.
    N : Don't be fooled. You can't outsmart God. People gather a crop from what they plant.
     
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    Ephesians

    Continuing here in comparing the NLTse (L), to the NIrV (N).

    1:21
    L : Now he is far above any ruler or authority or power or leader or anything else -- not only in this world but also in the world to come.
    N : There Christ sits far above all who rule and have authority. He also sits far above all powers and kings. He is above every title that can be given in this world and in the world to come.

    2:13
    L : But now you have been united with Christ Jesus. Once you were far away from God, but now you have been brought near to him through the blood of Christ.
    N : At one time you were far away from God. But now you belong to Christ Jesus. He spilled his blood for you. This has brought you near to God.

    2:15
    L : He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regualtions. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.
    N : Through his body on the cross, Christ put an end to the law with all its commands and rules. He wanted to create one new group of people out of the two. He wanted to make peace between them.

    3:12
    N : Because of Christ and our faith in him, we can now come boldly and confidently into God's presence.
    L : Through him and through faith in him we can approach God. We can come to him freely. We can come without fear.

    3:18
    L : And may you have the power to understand, as all God's people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is.
    N : May you have power with all God's people to understand Christ's love. May you know how wide and long and high and deep it is.

    3:21
    L : Glory to him in the church and in Christ Jesus through all generations forever and ever! Amen.
    N : Give him glory in the church and in Christ Jesus. Give him glory through all time and for ever and ever. Amen.

    4:7
    L : However, he has given each one of us a special gift through the generosity of Christ.
    N : But each one of us has received a gift of grace, just as Christ wanted us to have it.

    4:18
    L : Their minds are full of darkness; they wander far from the life God gives because they have closed their minds and hardened their hearts against him.
    N : They can't understand the truth. They are separated from the life of God. That is because they don't know him. And they don't know him because their hearts are stubborn.

    4:19
    L : They have no sense of shame. They live for lustful pleasure and eagerly practice every kind of impurity.
    N : They have lost all feeling for what is right. They have given themselves over to the evil pleasures of their bodies. They take part in every kind of unclean act. And they always long for more.

    4:22
    L : throw off your old sinful nature and your former way of life, which is corrupted by lust and deception.
    N : You were taught not to live the way you used to. You must get rid of your old way of life. That's because it is polluted by longing for things that lead you down the wrong path.

    5:4
    L : Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes -- these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God.
    N : There must not be any unclean speech or foolish talk or dirty jokes. All of them are out of place. Instead, you should give thanks.

    5:16
    L : Make the most of every opportunity in these evil days.
    N : Make the most of every opportunity. The days are evil.

    5:25
    L : For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He have up his life for her
    N : Husbands, love your wives. Love them just as christ loved the church. He gave himself up for her.

    5:26
    L : to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God's word.
    N : He did it to make her holy. He made her clean by washing her with water and the word.
     
  3. Mexdeaf

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    Don't fall over, but I like the NirV for those with limited English skills. I'm planning to read through it next year.
     
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    I did fall over. you did surprise me with that one.

    I thought that since the NIV was such an unpleasant experience for you that you wouldn't want to try a close relative.

    You will get through the NIrV a lot quicker than the ESV, that's for sure.
     
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    I'm full of surprises. :laugh:

    You did note that I qualified my like for the NIrV with "for those with limited English skills". The ESV is IMHO a better choice for the general population. But again, like ice cream flavors, that's subjective. :thumbs:
     
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    I really like the NLTse. The ESV study bible is on my list to purchase soon. Along with a NET Bible.
     
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    You must have gobs of cash!
     
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    I think KJVO-folks need to read the NIrV and NLTse to get a clearer grasp of biblical theology. Of course they would have to do this secretly at first. Then, when the veil has been torn away they will no longer have to read these two excellent versions clandestinely. They can openly avow their liberation from KJV Onlyism. Praises to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.( A KJV touch)
     
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    Did I say that? I guess I did. I still endorse it.
     
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    IF you purchase the net bible, get the one with full textual/study notes edition...

    not to thrilled about the translation, as I think that NIV/HCSB both did better renderings into English, BUT the notes are excellent in regards to textual notes on greek texts to the English, why certain words were chosen etc!
     

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