NIV killed once and for all

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  1. bob walker

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    Seems like the only thing you've killed is your reputation, and my desire to take you seriously. ;)
     
  3. Scott J

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    This comes from someone who does not even like the NIV.

    Let's assume that all of these conspiracy theories and this guilt by association is 100% true, does that change the fact that many people use the NIV as the Word of God? They grow reading it. They lead others to Christ with it.

    Are the KJV Bibles printed by Zondervan evil also?

    Does any of the problems (real or imagined) with the NIV indict other MV's?
     
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    Here is a page from Zondervan's catalog of Bibles:
    Holy Bible, King James Version — Softcover — $6.99

    Interlinear KJV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English — George R. Berry — Printed Hardcover — $39.99

    Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English — Alfred Marshall — Printed Hardcover — $39.99

    KJV Audio Bible Dramatized — Unabridged Audio Pages® CD — $74.99

    KJV Audio Bible Dramatized — Unabridged Audio Pages® Casset — $74.99

    KJV Audio Bible Dramatized New Testament — Unabridged Audio Pages® CD — $24.99

    KJV Audio Bible Dramatized New Testament — Unabridged Audio Pages® Casset — $24.99

    KJV Christian Worker's, The, New Testament & Psalms — Softcover — $5.99

    KJV Classic Reference Indexed — Burgundy Bonded Leather — $34.99

    KJV Full Life Study Bible, The — Hardcover — $39.99

    KJV Full Life Study Bible, The — Burgundy Bonded Leather — $69.99
    this is from http://www.zondervan.com/books/search.asp?Criteria=kjv

    --------------&gt; So what do you know? The same company prints satanic bibles, NIV's and KKJV's! What great company!
     
  5. DocCas

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    We have had this discussion before. Zondervan does not print any bibles. Zondervan markets them. Zondervan is a publishing company, not a printing company. They are printed by contract printers located all over the world. Secondly, Zondervan does not own the copyright on the NIV. That is owned by the International Bible Society. The fact that Zondervan Publishing markets the NIV is no more damning than the fact they also market KJVs. There are some very real cases to be made against the NIV as an English translation, so why make up silly stories that just don't stand up to scrutiny? Let's deal with the real issues of underlying text base and translation technique.
     
  6. Chris Temple

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    Well said DocCas.
     
  7. bob walker

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    so why does the Zondervan site say that they hold NIV EXCLUSIVE PRINTING RIGHTS....? HUH...?

    if you would bother to go to the site their own links will prove this true.

    also the KJV was around for hundreds of years before zondervan and is in the public domain.

    so believe what ever you want and when the beast and his mark comes you can read your NIV and your pastor can tell you to take the mark 666 and follow the beast. after all the NIV preacher will likely say all is well.
     
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    Actually the KJV was originally under copyright by the crown of England. I agree with Dr. C, that "there are some very real cases to be made against the NIV as an English translation"

    This stuff about the NIV being in a Nazi, Satanic alliance however is a distraction from making serious criticism of the NIV text. The link given slanders Zondervan and the NIV translators by implying they are in a pact with Satan. (SIGH) :eek: :rolleyes:
     
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    It only takes a few minutes of fact finding to know Thomas is correct. Why do so few take the time? Why are conspiracy theories so much fun? Don't get me started....

    Go to www.gospelcom.net/ibs for who holds the copyright to the NIV

    [ June 01, 2002, 11:28 PM: Message edited by: TomVols ]
     
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    Bob, here is what I said:
    Note the point: "They (NIVs) are printed by contract printers located all over the world." Zondervan holds the license from IBS to publish NIVs. They are printed by contract printers who also print KJVs. And Zondervan also publishes KJVs. If the NIV is suspect because it is published by Zondervan, so is the KJV, if your theory is correct. On the other hand, if who prints it is not the issue, but the underlying text, and the translational technique, then there really is an issue to discuss.
     
  11. Forever settled in heaven

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    perhaps both issues are important, esp if "printers' errors" are supposed to account for the more than 136 Substantial Changes preserved between the 1611 n 1769 KJB.

    :D
     
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    Mockery is not an acceptable argumentation technique. I think we have told you this several times before.
     
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    Just for clarification, DocCas, what is your doctorate in and where did you get it?
     
  14. Ransom

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    The NIV-is-published-by-the-same-company-that-publishes-the-Satanic-Bible argument is just a repackaged form of the NIV-is-published-by-Rupert-Murdoch-who-also-publishes-pornography argument.

    That one doesn't hold water. Why should this one?

    [ June 03, 2002, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Ransom ]
     
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    I really hate having to agree with Scott three days in a row! :mad: ( :D )What has already been pointed out is that Murdoch and Zondervan had nothing to do with translating the NIV for it was completed prior to Murdoch purchasing Zondervan, and prior to Zondervan getting the publication rights from IBS. The same argument could be used against the KJV, for, subsequent to its translation several less than honorable publishing houses, owned and operated by less than honorable men, have published KJVs.

    Again, there are several good arguments based on the facts of texts and translation techniques that can be used to defend the inferiority of the NIV, why make up fanciful theories which cannot stand scrutiny? :(
     
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    Brother Bob, you are on to something here. You have definitely hit a nerve. There has never been a topic which has so successfully divided believers, as this one has. We are playing right into Satan's hand.

    You may rest assured in the knowledge that, with a newer, easier-to-read version rolling off the presses, printers, publishers, wholesalers and retailers stand to make a lot of money every time a new one is cranked out.

    It is warfare out there, no question about it.

    We can be encouraged by 1 Thessalonians 5: 6, which admonishes us to watch and be sober. Also, Luke 12: 37.

    May God Bless you for "watching". Don't let them get you down. Don't give up.

    Alex
     
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    The atonement ring a bell? What about justification? You may be right though. There's been an awful lot of division over the general doctrine of Scriptrue. I'd probably disagree as to your particulars, however. :cool:

    [ June 03, 2002, 11:29 PM: Message edited by: TomVols ]
     
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    I sincerely doubt we're likely to see a replay of the Thirty Years War over this one. This is a squabble limited to a small corner of Christendom.
     
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    Tom, you took the words right out of my mouth ;)
     
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    Alex Mullins said:

    Brother Bob, you are on to something here. You have definitely hit a nerve. There has never been a topic which has so successfully divided believers, as this one has.

    If you truly believe this and are not exaggerating, then you are ignorant of church history.

    For example, the debate over free will was the lynch-pin upon which the Reformation turned, and has been ongoing in the Church since before there ever was an English language to translate the Bible into.

    The Bible version debate is a recenttempest in a teapot that rages in a very small corner of primarily Baptist fundamentalist Christendom and has zero impact on the rest of the church. If this non-argument about Zondervan and the Satanic Bible (which does not even deal with the content of the NIV and is therefore entirely irrelevant) is the best the KJV-onlyists can come up with, it is no wonder the Bible version debate has made the rest of the church sit up and ignore this useless controversy.

    [ June 04, 2002, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: Ransom ]
     

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