No more faith?

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  1. 12strings

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    Here is a lyric from the Andrew Peterson song, "No more faith":

    I say faith is a burden
    It's a weight to bear
    It's brave and bittersweet
    And hope is hard to hold to
    Lord, I believe
    Only help my unbelief

    Till there's no more faith
    No more hope
    I'll see your face and Lord, I'll know
    That only love remains


    This song is actually encouraging to me, but I wonder, Is this biblical? Is there any reference to Faith or hope continuing on in the New Creation?

    Some verses that might be pertinent:
    -For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. (Romans 8:24-25).
    -Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith -- the salvation of your souls (1 Peter 1:9)
    -So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. (1 Corinthians 13:13 ESV)

    I seem to remember a verse that says something about hope increasing in heaven or the new earth, but I can't find it.

    Also, here's a link to an article arguing that there WILL be faith & hope in heaven, based on 1 Cor. 13.

    WHAT SAY YOU?
     
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    If you ask your self ("will God still be worshiped?") Your only answer I think would have to be yes there will always be faith.
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    Faith is the portal by which our covenant with God stands, moves through, and operates. At the end of our faith, we shall see the Triune God in all His splendor and glory. Love is what will carry is through the eternals ages of heaven, and not faith.

    Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen(Heb 11:1). When we have seen the Triune God in His splendor and glory, we'll no longer need faith, just His love to carry through eternity with Him.


    BTW, this is a very good OP, Brother 12Strings.
     
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    Would this mean that the disciples who had seen and knew that Christ is God had no faith with which to be saved? They all knew he was hung on the cross. They all knew He died and they all knew He rose from the dead. They all had real life experience with Him. So they could not have had faith as you have explained it.


    Faith is believing and since it is we will always have to have faith.
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    Faith is not just merely believing, but believing in something/someone you can not prove to be real. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but can not prove it. We have not seen Him at anytime, and yet we believe. It is when we see Him in His splendid glory, love is all that we will need, and not faith. Our faith becomes a reality then.
     
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    Revelation teaches those spirits in heaven are waiting and hoping for the day of the resurrection. So we must slice the pie a little thinner. All three, faith, hope and love will remain during the interval when we are in heaven, but the second coming has not occurred. But once we enter the eternal kingdom, perhaps only love will remain, since all else will have been fulfilled.
     
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    Forgive me for being contentious. We are brothers here yet I need to know the answers to my questions and not so much your opinions. Are you ignoring what I asked about the disciples and there seeing and Knowing Jesus first hand?. Just as we will know God when we get to heaven. They knew with out doubt even though Thomas had to touch Him first to cinch it for him.
    I see conflict when Faith is removed. Faith is also trust and with out trust what are we going to do?. It's impossible for me to see my self with out faith. Based on scripture I do not believe it ever says faith will be done away with.
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  8. psalms109:31

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    We are told the disciples was told where He is we will be also, that in the Fathers house there is many rooms. Jesus did not take them when He was taken out they have to and had to take it by faith, what they did not see.

    They have seen much but have not gone where He was apart from a revelation in the Spirit so they had to take it by faith.

    What faith will we need in heaven we will know when we get there. Trust and belief is apart of faith.
     
  9. Aaron

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    Faith and hope are not eternal. In that the words are right. However, faith is power, not a burden. Faith moves mountains.

    It sounds to me as if they are singing of a carnal faith, and indeed, the flesh is too weak to maintain even a carnal faith.
     
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    That is why we should trust in God and His word over our own flesh desire and our own understanding

    Deuteronomy 30:
    11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
    15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
    17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
    19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    Romans 7:
    14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[ Or my flesh] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
     
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    Perhaps a good way to look at it is that our faith will be perfected in glory.
     
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    Does God have an expectation or hope?
     

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