No Regrets; William Ayers

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bro. Curtis, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2
    http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/
    From our August 2001 issue: "Kill your parents!" urged sixties leftist Bill Ayers, whose father was the chairman of Commonwealth Edison here. In Ayers's new memoir, Fugitive Days, he reconciles his militant past with his present identity: father of three, esteemed professor at UIC—and unabashed patron of the great bourgeois coffee chain, Starbucks

    By Marcia Froelke Coburn
    (page 1 of 3)
    [​IMG]
    At 55, Bill Ayers, the notorious sixties radical, still carries a whiff of that rock 'n' roll decade: the oversize wire-rim glasses that, in a certain light, reveal themselves as bifocals; a backpack over his shoulder—not some streamlined, chic job, but a funky backpack-of-the-people, complete with a photo button of abolitionist John Brown pinned to one strap.
    Yet he is also a man of the moment. For example: There is his cell phone, laid casually on the tabletop of this neighborhood Taylor Street coffee shop, and his passion for double skim lattes. In conversation, he has an immediate, engaging presence; he may not have known you long but, his manner suggests, he's already fascinated. Then there is his quick laugh and his tendency to punctuate his comments by a tap on your arm.
    Overall, it is not easy to imagine him as part of the Weatherman, a group that during the late sixties and early seventies openly called for revolution in America, led a violent rampaging protest in Chicago, and took credit for numerous bombings around the United States.
    One of the Weatherman leaders was Bernardine Dohrn, a smart, magnetic figure who, in part because of her penchant for miniskirts and knee-high boots, was dubbed "La Pasionaria of the Lunatic Left" by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. After a bomb exploded accidentally and killed three of their colleagues, Ayers and Dohrn "hooked up," in the parlance of the day, and, since 1982, they have been married. This—violence, death, and white-hot rhetoric—is his past and Ayers insists he has no regrets. "I acted appropriately in the context of those times," he says. But it's hard to reconcile this quick-witted man with that revolutionary. Today Bill Ayers seems too happy to have ever been so angry.
    Ayers, now a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, claims to abhor nostalgia ("Nothing is more boring than some old person going on and on about the way things used to be"). But he has been thinking lately about the past—both his and the country's—and soon he will likely be engaged in what he calls "a dialogue" about the sixties, the antiwar movement, and the radical life he led. The spur for this dialogue will be the publication of Fugitive Days (Beacon Press, $24), a memoir Ayers has written about the trajectory of his life, from a pampered son of the Chicago suburbs to a young pacifist to a founder of one of the most radical political organizations in U.S. history.
    In the pantheon of radicals of the sixties and seventies, Ayers's place is unique. "He was not as notorious as Bernardine Dohrn," says Don Rose, a political consultant who has written about those times. "But what made Ayers of particular interest then was that he was the son of a captain of industry. Now he's interesting because, of all the farther-out radicals, he has achieved the most scholarly reputation."
    Writing the book has been "a daunting task," Ayers says, "because I want to be true to those times. I don't feel nostalgic for the sixties, but there is no doubt in my mind that the events I write about were shaping events, and they provided for me a way of seeing the world that seemed so alive and so resonant that I can't escape it, no matter what I do."
    Certainly there are moments when Ayers has the sound of the sixties down pat, like when he tells me, "Imperialism or globalization—I don't have to care what it's called to hate it." And then there are moments when he sounds light-years away from his radical sensibilities, more like an old grump lamenting today's uninformed youth: He tells me a story about going into Starbucks and having the young woman behind the counter mistake his photo pin of John Brown for Walt Whitman. "And when I told her, no, it's John Brown, she said, 'Who is John Brown?'"
    But I am struck by another part of that story. What are you doing in a Starbucks? I ask the man who professes to hate globalization.
    "Oh," he says. "I have an addiction to caffeine."
    There you have the complexity of Ayers: a man who once tried to overthrow his country's government and now works for a state university; an opponent of the bourgeoisie who has been married for 20 years; a left-wing radical who loves a good cup of imperialist coffee. Maybe he's always known how to choose his battles. Once one of his sons wanted to hear about how Ayers had been a draft card burner. "Tell me again how you burned your credit card, Pop," his son confusedly asked.
    "I'm not that radical," Ayers retorted......



    http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/


    Ayers was a founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school-reform group. Obama chaired its board from 1995-99. National Review reported last week that UIC said records detailing meetings and other business were public, then reversed itself. UIC said Friday there was a misunderstanding....

    .....
    When Obama was asked about Ayers in an April debate, he said, "the notion that … me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."
    After that debate, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley released a statement saying he doesn't condone what Ayers did in the 1960s. "It was a difficult time, but those days are long over," he said.
    Ayers and Obama have moved in some of the same circles:
    •In 1995, Ayers hosted a brunch for Obama, who was running for the Illinois Senate.
    The ad says this meeting launched Obama's political career. Quentin Young, a physician who was there, says it was a typical Hyde Park event and to imply otherwise is "guilt by simultaneously being in the same place."
    •In 1997, they were on a juvenile justice panel sponsored by the University of Chicago. They were on a 2002 panel on intellectualism that was co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library.
    •In 1997, the Chicago Tribune published a blurb from Obama about books he was reading. Obama said he was reading Ayers' A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court.
    •From 1999-2002, both men were on the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago foundation that makes grants to arts and civic groups. Obama left the board in 2002; Ayers remains on it.
    Laura Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund board, says suggestions of close ties are "an attempt to demonize Bill as a way of damaging Barack Obama."
    •Ayers gave $200 to Obama's 2001 state Senate campaign.






    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-25-ayers_N.htm
     
  2. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2

    Obama served on a board with former Weather Underground member William Ayers and "that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11."

    Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, April 16th, 2008 in Democratic debate in Philadephia


    Stephanopoulos quoted a New York Times story, published Sept. 11, 2001, in which Ayers was quoted as saying: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”
    Asked Stephanopoulos: “Can you explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?”
    Obama downplayed the relationship.
    “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from,” Obama said. “He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
    “And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George.”
    Sen. Hillary Clinton then piled on.
    “I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position. And, if I’m not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York and, I would hope, to every American, because they were published on 9/11, and he said that he was just sorry they hadn’t done more.”
    We need to point out that it was merely a coincidence the remarks were published in the New York Times on Sept. 11 and they had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks that day. They were referring to activities by the Weather Underground in the 1970s.
    Deborah Harrington, president of the Woods Fund, a philanthropic organization in Chicago, said Obama was a director from 1994 through 2001. That overlaps Ayers’ time as a director by three years. It also means Obama served with Ayers for the final months of 2001, after Ayers made his comments to the New York Times......





    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/440/
     
  3. JustChristian

    JustChristian
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Messages:
    3,833
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is the radical board that Ayers (now a college professor who by the way was never charged with any crime) and Obama served on. There you go again.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    WOODS FUND OF CHICAGO​



    The Woods Fund of Chicago is an outgrowth of the Woods Charitable Fund (WCF), which was established in 1941 by Frank Woods and his wife, Nelle Cochrane Woods. Frank Woods was an attorney and a nationally prominent telephone company executive. He and his wife incorporated WCF with their three sons, two of whom remained in Lincoln, and one of whom (Frank Woods, Jr.) worked in Chicago after finishing college and eventually became the head of the Sahara Coal Company.

    Kelm and Rudd then created a separate entity, which they named the Woods Fund of Chicago; Kelm, who was active in the Council on Foundations, became the Woods Fund's first President.

    This new Fund focused on welfare reform, affordable housing, the quality of public schools, race and class disparities in the juvenile justice system, and tax policy as a tool in reducing poverty. The Fund supported the concept of an expanding welfare state allocating ever-increasing amounts of money to the public school system, and the redistribution of wealth via taxes.

    The Woods Fund of Chicago's current President is Deborah Harrington, who served on former Illinois Governor Jim Edgar's Task force on Human Services Reform.

    The Woods Fund's philanthropic agendas are focused in three program areas:

    1) The Community Organizing program finances the formation of grassroots organizations, staffed mostly by volunteers, that attempt to shape public policy through activism.

    2) The Arts and Culture program supports those who combine artistic pursuits with left wing activism in the form of community organizing.

    3) The Public Policy program supports "policy and constituency-building work that helps low-income individuals and families to attain higher standards of living," and aims to address "issues of poverty among low-wage workers as well as unskilled potential workers."

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Not exactly the Weathermen which as Obama stated were active when he was 8 years old.
     
  4. JustChristian

    JustChristian
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Messages:
    3,833
    Likes Received:
    0
    Obama and 60s Bomber A Look into Crossed Paths ​

    By SCOTT SHANE
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us/politics/04ayers.html?partner=MOREOVERNEWS&ei=5040


    CHICAGO — At a tumultuous meeting of anti-Vietnam War militants at the Chicago Coliseum in 1969, Bill Ayers helped found the radical Weathermen, launching a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and United States Capitol.
    Twenty-six years later, at a lunchtime meeting about school reform in a Chicago skyscraper, Barack Obama met Mr. Ayers, by then an education professor. Their paths have crossed sporadically since then, at a coffee Mr. Ayers hosted for Mr. Obama’s first run for office, on the schools project and a charitable board, and in casual encounters as Hyde Park neighbors.

    “The suggestion that Ayers was a political adviser to Obama or someone who shaped his political views is patently false,” said Ben LaBolt, a campaign spokesman. Mr. LaBolt said the men first met in 1995 through the education project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and have encountered each other occasionally in public life or in the neighborhood. He said they have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Mr. Obama began serving in the United States Senate in January 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they bumped into each other on the street in Hyde Park.

    Since earning a doctorate in education at Columbia in 1987, Mr. Ayers has been a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, the author or editor of 15 books, and an advocate of school reform.

    “He’s done a lot of good in this city and nationally,” Mayor Richard M. Daley said in an interview this week, explaining that he has long consulted Mr. Ayers on school issues. Mr. Daley, whose father was Chicago’s mayor during the street violence accompanying the 1968 Democratic National Convention and the so-called Days of Rage the following year, said he saw the bombings of that time in the context of a polarized and turbulent era.

    “This is 2008,” Mr. Daley said. “People make mistakes. You judge a person by his whole life.”
     
  5. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2

    Barack Obama is still not getting enough grief from McCain and Palin for his association with unrepentant Sixties terrorist Bill Ayers. Ayers was a member of the Weathermen, who were associated with other Communist terrorists abroad, and who were bombing American targets in the hope of aiding the Viet Cong to win the Vietnam War. (They succeeded .)
    Funny thing: no one seems to object to the fact that Ayers, like many other criminals since the Sixties Supreme Court revolution in criminal procedure, seems to have gotten away with murder. Obama's website uses as a defense the fact that Ayers got away with it on a technicality:
    CHARGES AGAINST AYERS WERE DROPPED AND HE SERVED NO TIME
    “1979: Charges Against Ayers Were Dropped Because ‘The Government's Case Was Based On Illegal Wiretaps.’ The New York Times reported, ‘William Ayers was a fugitive, too, for nine of those years, but the Federal charges against him, Miss Dohrn and other members of the revolutionary organization were dropped in 1979, when it was ruled that the Government's case was based on illegal wiretaps.’ [New York Times, 12/5/80]
    “Ayers ‘Served No Time’ ‘William Ayers: Surrendered and pleaded guilty in 1980 to possession of explosives and served no time. Teaches early childhood development at the University of Illinois.’ [Boston Globe, 9/19/93]....

    .....It no more exonerates Ayers than saying that the Judge was bribed, the jury was intimidated, or the witnesses suddenly vanished. In 1989, Peter Brimelow reviewed Tom Hayden's autobiography, Reunionhttp://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=vdare&l=ur2&o=1, and referred to Ayers's famous remark about his legal position:
    “It is easily forgotten that people died because of the New Left and not just in Indo-China. Hayden was much closer to the edge than he admits. Years later, back above ground and living legally, [Bernardine] Dohrn's common-law husband gave [Peter] Collier and [David ] Horowitz a summary of their lives which may be equally appropriate for Hayden: 'Guilty as hell, free as a bird. America is a great country.'”
    It is a great country. But not because of the Supreme Court. And not because of Obama and his radical friends, either.



    http://www.vdare.com/fulford/080914_fulford_file.htm

    I know you like to gloss over facts, BB, but remember, just like I've told you before, I post this up for the honest people.
     
  6. Major B

    Major B
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/6069.jpg>

    Joined:
    May 6, 2003
    Messages:
    2,294
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ayers is an unrepentent hater of all things Christian and American. He and his wife have a radical agenda that makes George McGovern look like a John Bircher. They should both be serving Life Without Parole. Ayers and Obama are close--evidenced by the fact that Obama's coming out party as a state senator was hosted by Ayers in Ayers' home.

    Now tell me all you who are still hypnotized by O-BA-MA, If McCain or Palin had been hosted in the home of David Duke for a political soiree, would the national media be all over that, or what?

    Hypocrisy. Sheer, unadulterated hypocrisy that would not equate the two. Ayers not only is unrepentant, he wishes he had done more.
     
  7. JustChristian

    JustChristian
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Messages:
    3,833
    Likes Received:
    0

    You simply reject the real facts and believe your fascist delusions.
     
  8. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2
    Actually, being a veteran, and seeing someone step on the flag, no matter their beliefs, makes me believe they are hypocrites. They denounce the very systems that have made them rich. They are nothing more than spoiled children, 'cept they throw bombs instead of tantrums.

    You still throw tantrums, I guess we can be glad of that.
     
  9. KenH

    KenH
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    The anti-Obama forces can keep bringing up this Bill Ayers fella from now until Doomsday and it won't help get John McCain into the White House.

    If John McCain can't get elected on the issues that he cares about, such as global warming, then he won't win.
     
  10. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2
    And you guys can deny yer voting for a guy who loves sedition all you want, it won't make the zero a hero. His cult status is only magnified when you don't address this personality flaw.
     
  11. KenH

    KenH
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    That's fine. As long as it makes him president.
     
  12. LeBuick

    LeBuick
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    11,537
    Likes Received:
    0
    When did Obama step on a flag?

    Can he do anything about another person stepping on a flag when he was 8 years old? Should we hold that against him for the rest of his days.

    I was born in 62 so recall seeing the end of the 60's on TV when I grew up. There were a lot of Ayres back then and they called themselves the true patriotic American's.
     
  13. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2
    And if you were running for president, I'd want to know if you took money from them. I'd want you to answer for having them at yer BBQs.....

    I'm sorry you don't hold leaders to higher standards.
     
  14. LeBuick

    LeBuick
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    11,537
    Likes Received:
    0
    Don't leave the part out about how he gave the money from Ayres to charity when he learned about his past.
     
  15. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2
    And don't forget where I told you, you will never get me to believe he didn't know who this guy was.

    You wanna compare some guy who once flipped out to William Ayers, it's your credibility at stake.

    How does the guy who killed his wife & lover feel about America ? Has he written a book ? Does he teach in a school ?

    I expect better from you.
     
  16. LeBuick

    LeBuick
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    11,537
    Likes Received:
    0
    Nor do I need to try. Obama was 8 when Ayers was doing his thing. So the Ayers Obama met is not the same radical Ayres. He has obviously changed.

    My question still remains how well do you know everyone you encounter on a daily basis?

    Don't know, never asked and he has never said.

    Not that I know of.

    Not anymore, we let him teach a Sunday school class a couple of times but found it was best if he didn't.

    Glad I lived up to your high expectations... :thumbs:
     
  17. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2
    What part of "I don't feel we did enough" do you not understand ?


    That's ridiculous. I'm not running to lead the country. I don't get the comparison, and frankly, I think you are being silly.



    Doesn't appear to take much.....
     
  18. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2
    1) The key question is whether Bill Ayers had a role in the selection of Barack Obama to become Chairman and President of the $160 million Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a multi year school reform effort started in 1995.

    2) This is the key question because if it is true that Ayers played a role in Obama's selection it indicates that Ayers and Obama had a pre-existing relationship.

    3) If Ayers and Obama did have a pre-existing relationship it undermines claims by the Obama Campaign that the relationship between Ayers, an authoritarian political figure who once engaged in bombings to implement his politics, was "tenuous" or "casual" and that Ayers was just a neighbor of Obama's in Hyde Park.

    4) I believe that Obama and Ayers shared a similar world view with respect to education issues, at least. For example, during their time together running the Chicago Annenberg Challenge they supported funding for groups like the Small Schools Workshop and Local School Councils. These groups were criticized as engaging in "teacher bashing" by union activists and as a "political threat" to school principals by Arnold Weber, a fellow Annenberg board member.

    5) I have presented evidence here at Global Labor that Ayers did in fact play a direct and personal role in Obama's elevation to the CAC board. This evidence consists of letters exchanged at the time of these events between the national Annenberg Challenge led by Vartan Gregorian, the President of Brown University, and Bill Ayers, on the one hand, and between Gregorian and Adele Simmons, President of the MacArthur Foundation, an advisor to Ayers, on the other.


    http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/10/where-are-we-now-update-on-ayersobama.html
     
  19. JustChristian

    JustChristian
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Messages:
    3,833
    Likes Received:
    0

    This doesn't exonerate Ayers if you don't accept the American system of justice. What kind of justice do you propose?
     
  20. Bro. Curtis

    Bro. Curtis
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/curtis.gif>

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2001
    Messages:
    20,247
    Likes Received:
    2
    This isn't about justice. It's about exposing this guys friends & associates as America-hating criminal leftists. Nice try, though.
     

Share This Page

Loading...