No Spanking Law

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  1. AF Guy N Paradise

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    OH I can see the liberal side of this now...whats wrong with a law protecting children under three???

    Hmm, imagine all those times I got a down right whippin' were mentally damaging to me... probably did, because I am in the minority now and acutally know right from wrong.
     
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    That lady is silly. Spanking a child as a form of discipline is not "beating" a child. A "beating", literally speaking, is meant to cause physical harm. A "spanking", literally speaking, is meant to be a form of loving correction. Spanking should not be done in a moment of anger and spanking can go too far and become a beating.

    Sally Lieber said, "this bill is absolutely not big mother government coming in to tell parents what to do,". That, my friend, is a lie. Of course it is big government. Getting spankings is part of growing up and a good spanking never harmed any child. By good spanking, of course, I mean the parent was acting to discipline the child (ie...not a beating). This crazy woman, Sally Lieber, wants to take a parent away from their child for one year if the parent spanks the child. O, that's a great idea. Let's take a child's parent from them and ruin their loving home, where spanking is done for discipline, because this Lieber lady does not think spanking is good. That solves alot of problems does it not? Silly, just plain silly. :rolleyes:
     
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    California legislators are, by and large complete morons.

    If they had their way, no one could draw breath without the permission of the government.

    It's no wonder employers are leaving this crackpot state in record numbers.
     
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    Well, I got spankings growing up....plenty of them! With a plastic hairbrush. And let me tell you that a plastic hairbrush back in the 1960's was that hard plastic. Not this sissy-plastic that bends and folds!! Those hairbrushes that I got spankings with could knock a bull elephant out if you hit him between the eye with it.

    Well, enough of that rant....:BangHead:

    Except to say....I never deserved a one of them!!! :saint:

    Spanking can quite easily get out of hand. Most of the time it's done in anger and without thinking.

    Am I opposed to spanking? No. And I certainly don't think it can be legislated.

    However, just because I am pro-spanking does not mean that adults should have free reign to use spanking as their primary form of punishment.

    In fact, spanking should only be used as punishment and not discipline. Punishment is negative....spanking, loss of privileges, grounding..... Discipline is positive.....making sure the rules are understood, practicing the rules, gentle reminders of the rules, chats, and giving children age-appropriate responsibilities and an age-appropriate voice in making the rules.

    Spanking should be a last resort or a first resort if the offense warrents it.

    If a child gets a spanking (punished) every week, then some other plan needs to take the place of it or they will develop anger issues and the child will resort to making sure that you don't find out about their misconduct and that will follow them into their teenage years!

    If a child gets a spanking (punished) every day, then the parents need to be whopped up side the head because apparently it isn't working! :BangHead:

    Spanking is alright....but few and far between.

    ...and not with a plastic hairbrush! :laugh:
     
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    If I had a plastic hairbrush I'd spank you right now.
     
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    carpro! don't hold back! I want to know how you really feel! *snicker*

    I heard this on sirius on the way home. I couldn't believe my ears. My goodness. I did spank my kids a few times. once or twice. OK, maybe more.

    I was even spanked once or twice. I don't think it warped me too terribly much.

    In actuality, I think it should be addressed that it's probably much more harmful to spank teenagers than preschoolers. I've seen that happen a few times AND that's made me cringe.
     
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    "This bill is absolutely not big mother government coming in to tell parents what to do," Lieber said. "But it is creating a line in the law that stands on the side of very young children. Children that are 3 years old or younger are really sitting ducks for physical punishment, and they're no match with the speed or size or force of an adult who's beating them."

    This is nauseating. But California is replete with liberal legislators that hate good and promote and protect evil.
     
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    I agree wholeheartedly.
     
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    I got spanked with a wooden spoon. Probably more times than I ate with any spoon.

    I've spanked my daughter 3 times, and remember each time, vividly. And each time it was one swat on the butt, after she made it clear that verbal redirection efforts would be in vain.

    California's mighty Ahnold is turning out to be about as conservative as Bush.
     
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    this...universal healthcare, even for illegals...hooboy.

    We should be able to save money on conducting those "long-term studies on the effects of steroids."

    The long-term results? You become an unstable politician.
     
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    :laugh:

    And you ski into trees.

    And you make horrible movies.

    And you marry Kennedy's.
     
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    Excuse me for chiming in here....

    Curtis, empty your inbox. :)
     
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    They didn't knock out this bull elephant . . . they broke . . . talk about a mad momma . . . when she goes through all of those hair brushes . . .

    And my baby brother thinks he got the bad spankings . . .

    Oh well, at least I admit that I earned most of mine.

    :saint:
     
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    Please take into account people, is that this state has 10 times more dysfunctional families than any state in the US has ever seen. Almost every family in my neighboorhood has problems with drinking, smoking, unployment, etc. The rest of my community is single. The government doesn't know what to do with them, other than separate the family entirely and make the babies have to raise themselves, if anyone still has babies this centurary. This legistation is only the tip of the iceburg.
     
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    There's a difference between spanking and beating. I didn't have to apply many of them to my kids, but when I had to, I did.

    Unfortunately for me, I wasn't quite so receptive to verbal direction when I was a kid. I got my share of licks. And my kids didn't get into anything nearly as bad as I did.

    I can remember talking to one of my pals, discussing what the consequences would be if we did something. We both concluded it was worth it. So, maybe that's why spanking doesn't work very well.
     
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    I remember when Bianca, my youngest daughter, was about fifteen and she was quite angry with me about a decision I had made. So she opened her mouth and out come some of the nastiest words the English language has to offer.

    Purely by 'instinct' I slapped her across the face, hard, and informed her that that language would NOT be used in our home.

    We lived in California then. She proceeded to inform me that that was child abuse and she was going to call the police. As she went to pick up the phone I started to laugh.

    "OK, great. Then I will go to jail where I will get three meals a day that I don't have to cook. You will go to a foster home. This house will probably be sold, and Chris will also go to a foster home."

    She stared at me and quietly put down the phone and went to her room.

    I can remember being a little girl and my daddy needing to spank me for something. I hid under the bed. He sat on top of it and informed me that he could sit there longer than I could hide under.

    I came out.

    Spankings don't have to be often, but they sometimes have to be. Like Galatian -- and this may be the ONLY time on any board in ten years I have agreed with him -- there is a difference between spankings and beatings, and there is a time and a place for a spanking -- especially when words cannot help (as with a three year old who is impervious to reason or requests) or a somewhat older child who doesn't care what you say!

    One of our adoptive sons came from an abusive environment. I spanked him once. It just about broke his spirit. I never touched that child in anger again. Another of our adoptive sons took just about everything in the house apart and didn't know how to put it back together again. I finally told him that if he destroyed one more thing he would get a spanking -- he was about nine at the time, as I recall.

    He did, and he got one. He did again. He got one again. It took a few times for him to learn we meant what we said...

    Each kid is different.

    I know there are dysfuncitional families, but that is no reason to penalize others. If California could manage to bring back a few old-fashioned family values, or control Hollywood a little, or even just resort to occasional common sense, things wouldn't be so bad there.
     
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    Our first 3 were pretty easy and didn't require much spanking, varying from 2 or 3 to about 30-40

    our last 4 were different, requiring from 0 to hundreds. # 7 is following #5 in displaying great need. Seems to be something that happens at around 13 for some kids.
     
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    It happens around 13 for just about all kids. But if you've done a good job up to then, they'll get through it. (even if you might feel as though you won't!)

    I teach kids of that age. It's a terrible time for them, too.
     
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